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re: In retrospect this team probably overachieved
Posted on 11/28/18 at 8:44 am to tigerwith3
Posted on 11/28/18 at 8:44 am to tigerwith3
quote:
LSU has more talent than 10 of the 12 teams on their schedule. How are they overachieving?
Experience is part of the equation as well
We had less offensive experience than probably 10 out of the 12 teams on the schedule as well
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 8:45 am to ScoopAndScore
quote:Which is why we "met" expectations. Saying we "overachieved" is absolute horse shite when you lose two games you should have won.
Nothing easy about winning at UF and at A&M. But we really were in good position to win both of those games. Didn’t work out.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 8:47 am to Powerman
10-3
8-5
9-3
Got the last coach fired.
9-4
9-3
"Exceeded expectations" for the new coach.
What a time to be an LSU fan.
8-5
9-3
Got the last coach fired.
9-4
9-3
"Exceeded expectations" for the new coach.
What a time to be an LSU fan.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 8:48 am to RB10
It’s amazing. 
The O era in a nutshell.
The O era in a nutshell.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 8:48 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Well, that's just silly. Things don't happen in a vacuum.
If it was year 1 for a coach and we were coming off a 3-9 season or something then fine, but that’s not the situation here. We’ve been a 3/4 loss program for about 8 years at this point and here were are with 3 losses again. How is that an overachievement? And don’t tell me schedule or injuries. We play a tough schedule every single year and have for a long long time and every team deals with injuries.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 8:49 am to Powerman
Before the season started, everyone had us as a 6-6 / 7-5 team. We had a ton of unknowns but we knew we were talented.
Yes we overachieved based on our deficiencies and our schedule.
Having said that, now that we've played the entire 12 game schedule, we all can sit here and realize that we could easily be 11-1, if we would have made a few more plays.
But this happens every season. We win 1 or 2 we shouldn't and lose 1 or 2 games that we could have won.
9-3 is a good solid season. Not great. But solid.
FYI -- Auburn went 7-5 and Tennessee went 5-7 again.
Yes we overachieved based on our deficiencies and our schedule.
Having said that, now that we've played the entire 12 game schedule, we all can sit here and realize that we could easily be 11-1, if we would have made a few more plays.
But this happens every season. We win 1 or 2 we shouldn't and lose 1 or 2 games that we could have won.
9-3 is a good solid season. Not great. But solid.
FYI -- Auburn went 7-5 and Tennessee went 5-7 again.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 8:50 am to Powerman
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Experience is part of the equation as well
We had less offensive experience than probably 10 out of the 12 teams on the schedule as well
That's where coaching comes in. Plenty of freshman and underclassmen with no experience making huge impacts on good teams.
What not at LSU?
Posted on 11/28/18 at 8:52 am to wheelz007
quote:
Before the season started, everyone had us as a 6-6 / 7-5 team.
bullshite! Stop this. I was extremely pessimistic, and I had us at 8-4, and I thought that would have been a poor season.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 8:53 am to wheelz007
quote:
Before the season started, everyone had us as a 6-6 / 7-5 team
That’s not true at all but even if it were it’s not relevant
quote:
Yes we overachieved based on our deficiencies and our schedule.
False narrative
quote:
FYI -- Auburn went 7-5 and Tennessee went 5-7 again
Irrelevant
Posted on 11/28/18 at 8:57 am to abellsujr
quote:
It doesn't matter if they were favored in the spread. Many experts picked us to win.
You have a tough time making up your mind. At first the experts and their preseason predictions mean nothing and now they mean more than the Vegas spread.
You're having a tough time picking what you believe to be relevant here.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 8:59 am to wheelz007
quote:
Before the season started, everyone had us as a 6-6 / 7-5 team.
Who in the Hell is "everyone"?
Posted on 11/28/18 at 8:59 am to bencoleman
quote:
Please stop this ridiculous argument.
Miami was predicted to go 10-2 preseason #8 (AP poll)
Auburn was projected to go 10-2 preseason #9 (AP poll)
both went 7-5 and unranked
by definition, they were overrated in the preseason.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:00 am to Powerman
Didn't read the entire thread. LSU "overachieved" in that they beat pundits predictions. LSU "underachieved" in that they should have beaten FL and aTm
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:02 am to tigerwith3
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That's where coaching comes in. Plenty of freshman and underclassmen with no experience making huge impacts on good teams.
I'd say we had plenty of freshmen and underclassmen making big impacts. Unless you think Delpit, Joseph, Vincent, Hellaire, Chase, Marshall, Hines, Charles, Cushenberry, Chaisson*, Phillips all sucked and didn't contribute. That's just off the top of my head.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:02 am to Powerman
if you layed it out for everyone in August they would of taken this season's record
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:04 am to Tmcgin
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if you layed it out for everyone in August they would of taken this season's record
I think most people thought 10-2 was the ceiling for this team. And part of that ceiling was factoring in production from Chaisson and Giles. I don't think people realize just how big the Chaisson injury was. There is a reason the NFL values edge rushers.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:06 am to Powerman
quote:I don't think you should look at expectations as a measuring tool at all. Hence all of the disagreements. But if you are, you have to look at ALL of the expectations. Not just Vegas. And weigh all of it in it's entirety.
You have a tough time making up your mind. At first the experts and their preseason predictions mean nothing and now they mean more than the Vegas spread.
You're having a tough time picking what you believe to be relevant here.
I know that seems hard for you to grasp and you seem to like to keep things simple. But going by Vegas alone is not smart. In that case you have to throw in how many times we didn't cover the spread. I doubt very seriously you want to do that with your argument.
This post was edited on 11/28/18 at 9:11 am
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:06 am to Powerman
This revisionist history is laughable. Before the season, O pumpers were decrying anyone who predicted less than 8 wins. Now that O floundered again, LSU "overachieved" by again getting only 9 regular season wins, which has been nothing but average over the last 4-5 seasons.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:09 am to Dave England
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This revisionist history is laughable. Before the season, O pumpers were decrying anyone who predicted less than 8 wins. Now that O floundered again, LSU "overachieved" by again getting only 9 regular season wins, which has been nothing but average over the last 4-5 seasons.
I'm neither an O pumper nor an O hater.
I thought we looked like a 9-3 team on paper with a 10-2 ceiling. Part of that was because I expected Chaisson to be a beast and I expected Giles to be a veteran presence for our WRs.
Obviously that didn't happen because of injuries and Giles disappearing
Posted on 11/28/18 at 9:12 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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These people would certainly be citing preseason expectations if LSU were favored to win the title and then shite the bed. I don't think anyone should be happy with this season, but that doesn't mean we can't discuss realistic expectations based on real world occurrences. LSU got blown out by Alabama. LSU lost two games on the road and had the ball to win the game at the end in both games. They did fail in both and that needs to be discussed and criticized. But to characterize this season as some kind of epic failure or program killing season is ridiculous.
Dude. Stop being objective and reasonable.
That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.
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