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re: If NCAA hands down a level 1 or 2 infraction, does Woodward fire Wade on the spot?

Posted on 11/9/21 at 10:25 am to
Posted by Robert E
BR
Member since Mar 2018
387 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 10:25 am to
I disagree. SW sees the popularity that Wade has, not to mention his recruiting and coaching capabilities, and realizes the folly in firing him. May be the best HC mbb has ever had (yes, better than Dale) and unless the NCAA is sitting on a major violation (why?) it would be idiocy to part ways with Wade. They’ve got nothing or they would’ve acted by now. If anything, they may be sitting back letting the football program to continue self- destructing. Hope not but seems more likely.
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
14879 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 10:35 am to
Sloppy you should consider killing yourself to avoid disappoint your family any more
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
20990 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 10:37 am to
For what exactly, again, I am not sure what proof they have that Wade did anything wrong. We have excerpts of statements but literally everyone involved has already testified multiple times no money exchanged hands. What exactly will have bang LSU on?
Posted by Slippy
Across the rivah
Member since Aug 2005
6578 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 10:51 am to
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Sloppy you should consider killing yourself


What a bunch of fricking Karens on this board.
Posted by Thorny
Montgomery, AL
Member since May 2008
1908 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 10:51 am to
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I get what you are saying here, and this get's thrown out a lot; but players still can't be offered, arranged for, or paid by the school/coach. That's not how NIL works.


I get what you are saying, and it's correct according to the NCAA regulations.

However, if you don't think that is happening at pretty much every school, you are delusional. All of the schools are doing that behind the scenes, if only by contacting favorable companies and making sure they know what kids are considering enrolling.

GEAUX TIGERS!
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29377 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:02 pm to
How stupid would the NCAA look issuing anything now, even if they have dirt(which at this point I don’t believe they do given the time and the way this has gone), in a world where NIL is legal?
Posted by TigerLaw40
Member since Aug 2017
2788 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 1:19 pm to
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I get what you are saying,

I don't think you do.
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it's correct according to the NCAA regulations.


No, it's correct according to state law, which is what the NCAA has coalesced to.
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However, if you don't think that is happening at pretty much every school, you are delusional.

I never stated one way or the other my position on what I believe other schools are doing or not doing. I've more than enough times stated on the record here that I know other schools are doing it and that I'm an ardent Wade supporter and believe that the NCAA shouldn't do crap if they have nothing more than the insinuation of Wade's wire tap. So I may be delusional about other things in this world, but that isn't one of them.

I was responding to someone who said with it now being "legal" to pay players, then this shouldn't be an issue. My response is that it is now legal, by state law, for businesses or individuals to pay a player for their NIL; but that doesn't change the fact that it is still illegal, nor permissive under NCAA rules, for a school or coach to directly pay or arrange for a payment to a current or prospective athlete. In fact, the La. NIL law passed expressly prohibits it.
Posted by tucoco
Las Vegas
Member since Mar 2021
6310 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 3:46 pm to
Wade could murder someone at this point and he still wouldn't be fired. Lol. Dude is too well liked by LSU fanatics.
Posted by WaterLink
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
17234 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:01 pm to
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Slippy


Posted by 0
Member since Aug 2011
16627 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:04 pm to
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Do you truly think that there’s zero charges coming? If so, you’re in fantasyland.


Honestly I feel like if there was enough evidence to really drop the hammer then it would have already happened. They likely picked up enough crumbs to realize something was happening but haven’t been able to find the “smoking gun”. That’s my .02 anyway.
Posted by Klingler7
Houston
Member since Nov 2009
11967 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:12 pm to
The NCAA is not above the law. Take these threatening motherfrickers to court. They had their time to investigate and they have nothing. The NCAA are bullies that protect certain programs. Congressional hearings should investigate the NCAA and their Gustavo tactics. There should be a statue of limitations on investigations. Emmett needs to have his house up in flames for this shite. Enough is enough ! frick Vitale too.
Posted by Gus007
TN
Member since Jul 2018
11975 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:14 pm to
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That's not how NIL works.



Do you believe that?
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47857 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:23 pm to
As long as the title 9 stuff continues the media will just keep attaching the Wade rumors to it in order to smear him. That’s all that this is.
Posted by TigerLaw40
Member since Aug 2017
2788 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:26 pm to
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Do you believe that?
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Do I believe that is not how it works according to the law? Yeah; because I understand how to interpret laws.

Do I believe that's how it works in reality? No. Never said that I did.

But again, if y'all would follow along with the context and comprehend what is being said, the person I was responding to was saying that what Wade allegedly did shouldn't be an issue because players can be paid now. My point is that while yes, players can be paid legally by businesses and individuals under NIL laws/rules, they still cannot "LEGALLY" be paid by schools/coaches above and beyond what is allowed for scholarships, cost of living, and academic stipends; therefore, the argument does not work on the NCAA.
Posted by OLDBEACHCOMBER
Member since Jan 2004
7189 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 4:57 pm to
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And at this point I think the odds of such charges are 50/50.


If LSU gets that a lot of other schools are in the same deep shite zone.
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
34715 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:03 pm to
LSU is not getting hit with anything. It’s all bullshite time to move on with our fearless leader Will Wade as he marches on to the final four this year
Posted by Woodman
Seattle WA
Member since Aug 2009
1929 posts
Posted on 11/9/21 at 5:12 pm to
Hi Mr. Vitale!!!
Posted by OLDBEACHCOMBER
Member since Jan 2004
7189 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 1:26 pm to
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SU is not getting hit with anything


I would agree, the NCAA has been exposed and they want this to go away as much as anyone.
Posted by da prophet
hammond, la
Member since Sep 2013
2288 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 2:42 pm to
NIL creates a new environment. What Wade did or didn’t do is moot. It’s commonplace now.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
64606 posts
Posted on 11/10/21 at 2:46 pm to
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This is why a real judicial system has a statute of limitations

Congress right now is trying to require that the NCAA have a statute of limitations

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A bipartisan group in Congress wants to create a new federal law that would force the NCAA to change the way it investigates and punishes member schools that break the association's rules.

Rep. David Kustoff, R-Tenn., said he believes the NCAA's enforcement process is inefficient and unfair. He has teamed with Reps. Burgess Owens, R-Utah, and Josh Harder, D-Calif., to introduce a bill Tuesday that would create a statute of limitations on NCAA violations, place limits on how long the NCAA has to complete its investigations and give schools an option to appeal any sanctions they receive to a third-party arbitrator.

"The NCAA is a monopoly with no oversight," Kustoff told ESPN. "The NCAA acts as investigator, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner. [Our bill] sets up a framework. The NCAA can still do their jobs, but with more constraints."

The proposal is designed to make the NCAA's process more closely resemble the criminal justice system. It includes a statute of limitations that would prohibit the NCAA from punishing a school for any violation that occurred more than two years earlier in an effort to avoid punishing current athletes for the misdeeds of others.

The proposal also gives schools the ability to ask for a three-person panel of neutral arbitrators to review and adjust any punishments that the school believes are unfair. The NCAA's current rules do allow for an appeal in some cases, but the appeals process is run by a committee that is made up mostly of individuals from member schools.

The bill arrives one day after a group of 75 athletic directors from FBS-level schools sent a letter to the NCAA recommending a long list of changes to its enforcement process. The letter criticized the recently formed unit of the NCAA's enforcement arm that is designed to take on complex cases for its lack of efficiency. It also asked the NCAA to consider changes that would help mitigate the perception that some investigators are biased and to dole out punishments that impact specific "bad actors" instead of the athletes who attend a school where a violation occurred.

The NCAA's enforcement process has come under scrutiny in the past few months from many of college sports' power brokers. Tom McMillen, a former congressman who now runs the Lead1 athletic director group that wrote the letter, said their recommendations were the result of months of consideration.

"The process was very collaborative with the NCAA, so it's not intended to be adversarial," McMillen said. "The NCAA was also very helpful throughout the process."

Kustoff, a graduate of the University of Memphis, said he has long been concerned about "disproportionate treatment" among different member schools. (A previous version of this story incorrectly stated Kustoff represented University of Memphis's Congressional district; the university is located in a district represented by Steve Cohen.) He was a student at Memphis when the NCAA stripped the Tigers of a Final Four appearance after finding that head coach Dana Kirk has provided money to star players. His interest in the topic was piqued again in 2019 when the NCAA began investigating his alma mater's basketball team due to the relationship between head coach Penny Hardaway and then-freshman James Wiseman. Kustoff said that he thinks the most popular college teams such as UNC and Duke too often receive a "slap on the wrist" for violations while other programs face harsher consequences.

Memphis was the first among a half-dozen major men's basketball programs to be routed through the association's recently-formed Complex Case Unit. More than 18 months after the unit received its case, Memphis is still waiting for a resolution along with the five other schools.

The NCAA announced in August that it was making revisions to try to streamline its processes. The organization declined to comment on the proposed legislation on Tuesday.

Under the proposed new law, the NCAA would have a maximum of eight months after starting a probe to present a school with any allegations of wrongdoing. The association would then have a maximum of one year to complete its investigation and issue any sanction. Current NCAA rules don't provide any specific time limits. Critics such as SEC commissioner Greg Sankey say that the delay in punishing schools who break the NCAA's rules have hurt the association's credibility.

"These processes take too long," Sankey recently told ESPN. "What we've done almost at every turn is say -- and I mean we collectively -- we have to be aggressive and penalize. We have to have stronger penalties. We've completely forgot about it, the time necessities relate to accountability."

The bill, called the NCAA Accountability Act, is one of more than a half-dozen recent proposals in Congress to try to reshape college sports. Most of the legislation has focused on the possibility of creating federal rules for the ways that college athletes can make money from their name, image and likeness (NIL). NCAA president Mark Emmert and others have asked members of Congress to help them in passing an NIL bill. That request seems to have opened the door for many politicians who are critical of the NCAA and its power over a multi-billion dollar interstate industry to ask the association to change in other ways.

Kustoff said his bill is one piece of needed change to the NCAA's way of doing business. He said the potential that the NCAA could soon start doling out punishments based on its vaguely defined NIL rules heightens the importance of reforming its enforcement policies now.

"This bill is designed to address a more fundamental issue with the NCAA, which is really its unrestrained authority," Kustoff said. "It is a piece of the puzzle, and ultimately Washington is going to have a role in figuring it out."

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