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re: I didn’t realize how much Will Blackwell hated Les Miles

Posted on 1/15/20 at 8:11 am to
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 1/15/20 at 8:11 am to
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did you miss all the comments from WILL after that game exposing many truths?
this
Posted by Bow08tie
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/15/20 at 8:18 am to
As Saban said Monday coaches have to change with the times or get left behind
Les Miles got left behind with his stubborn ground and pound offense
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 1/15/20 at 8:22 am to
There is a lot of bullshite that gets posted on the Rant. Let's get some facts straight.

1. LSU crossed the 50-yard line in the BCSCG. Jefferson rushed for 18 yards to the Bama 32-yard line.


2. Jefferson was a better QB than Lee.


Jefferson's three regular season starts in 2011 were the three best offensive games of the 2011 season.

It wasn't that one of Jefferson's games was better than one of Lee's games. It wasn't that the average of Jefferson's three starts was better than the average of Lee's starts. Every regular season game that Jefferson started was better than every regular season game that Lee started.

LSU's best rushing game happened when Jefferson started.

LSU's best total offense game happened when Jefferson started.

LSU's best completion percentage game happened when Jefferson started.

In the nine games that Lee started during the regular season, LSU gained over 450 yards just once. In the three games that Jefferson started during the regular season, LSU gained more than 450 yards in every game. Every game.


Jefferson had better regular season passing numbers than Lee.

Compare regular season numbers. Jefferson had better passing numbers than Lee: higher Completion %; higher QB Rating; higher YPA; lower Interception %. And that's not even mentioning how much Jefferson improved the team's rushing attack. LSU rushed for over 250 yards in every game of Jefferson’s three starts.

Lee threw for over 200 yards (213) just once in nine games. Jefferson threw for more than 200 yards (208) once in just three games.

Jefferson completed 100% of his passes against Ole Miss. Lee never completed 100% of his passes in any of his starts, not even against Northwestern State, an FCS school.

In Lee's nine regular season starts, he completed less than 50% of his passes three times. In Jefferson's three starts, he always completed more than 55% of his passes.

Jefferson (2011 Regular Season)
64.3%, 9.34 YPA, 5 TDs, 1 INT, INT% 1.43%, Overall Rating 163.48

Lee (2011 Regular Season)
62.3%, 7.82 YPA, 14 TDs, 3 INTs, INT% 1.80%, Overall Rating 152.04

Post-season numbers cannot be compared. Jefferson played in the Championship games. Lee didn't.


Jefferson was more efficient than Lee

From the moment that Jefferson threw his first pass in the Florida game in 2011, he had a higher QB Rating than Lee. Jefferson had a better efficiency rating than Lee, and that better efficiency continued for the rest of the regular season. That's right, from his first pass until the end of the regular season, Jefferson was more efficient than Lee.

So when folks say that Lee was an efficient QB, the "most efficient" QB in the SEC or in the nation, at no point during the regular season, from the time Jefferson threw his first pass until the end of the regular season, was Lee more efficient than Jefferson.

Posted by TigerNlc
Chocolate City
Member since Jun 2006
33098 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 8:25 am to
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Did you forget he played like a bitch against bama the first time? Threw 2 picks in 7 attempts.

He was playing bad but Flynn threw 3 interceptions against BAMA in 07 and the team rallied and won. Who knows what would have happened had he stayed in. He was definitely capable of putting up points as well as turning the ball over. It's not like the offense scored a bunch of points when he was taken out of the game.
Posted by Pleasenewdc
Member since Oct 2008
1563 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 8:26 am to
I know Will pretty well. He’s always been a prick, it’s just who he is, but he’s not wrong in what he said. He has every right to be salty about that game. Les Miles embarrassed that team with his shite game plan and decision to continue playing Jordan instead of Jarrett.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 8:40 am to
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 good bash Les Miles thread, it has been almost 2 hours since we had one


Man, he was here way too long
This post was edited on 1/15/20 at 8:42 am
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20543 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 8:49 am to
Jesus Christ did you really type all of that out to knight for Les Miles?

Nobody gives a shite so you're wasting your time. We're glad that Miles is no longer here. Next question.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25845 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 8:54 am to
Offensive guys that play(ed) in the NFL on the 2011 roster that played (list includes drafted/practice squad guys):

Reuben Randle
Jarvis Landry
Odell Beckham Jr.
Russell Shepard
Kadron Boone
James Wright
Spencer Ware
Michael Ford
Alfred Blue
Kenny Hilliard
Terrence Magee
DeAngelo Peterson

Could potentially list J.C. Copeland as well.

That's just the skill guys, obviously some have had better and longer NFL careers than others.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112547 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 8:57 am to
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Miles tried to use the same game plan they used in the 1st game.


And that's why Blackwell, a lot of other players, and just about every fan was/is so bitter about that game.

It was Miles' stubbornness on full display.

Truth be told, Miles lost me after the Ole Miss game in 2009. By then, it had become almost impossible to enjoy a game - even a win. You just knew he, or his undisciplined team, would do something boneheaded and that it would be closer than it should and the farce that was the end of that game ended it for me.

While I was disappointed, 1/9/12 was not a surprise to me because it was the most Miles outcome that could have happened.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25845 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:12 am to
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Bama changed their plan up a bit on offense


This was McElwain's last game for Bama before going on to be head coach at Colorado State. They had a hell of a scheme out of the gate that game with screens, if I recall correctly, to the tight ends and whatnot.

Still, even with that, LSU's defense held them to five field goals until late in the game. It was a two score game for the longest time despite LSU not crossing the 50 until late in the game!

Les and his poor offensive strategy was the entire culprit in that game, combined with the supposed hard practices leading up to gameday (which is ridiculous).
This post was edited on 1/15/20 at 9:20 am
Posted by Philzilla2k
Member since Oct 2017
12428 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:12 am to
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What's ol Will up to these days?

he sells life insurance
Posted by RedTigerRulz
BFE
Member since Oct 2013
15317 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:15 am to
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Jefferson was more efficient than Lee


You see you have no upvotes right?

Its because frick your stupid stats. JJ was a total bust in the title game. Throw all that garbage out the window and give Lee a shot.
The game was already outta hand anyway...wheres the harm?
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
66648 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:16 am to
Yeah, Les thought he could get by with a safe offensive game plan and that defense. From what I recall, Bama did a nice job with short passes out of the gate to somewhat take control of the game. Les should have rolled the dice and made a switch once it got to 12 early in the third quarter, but probably hoped for one big play to turn it around that never came.
This post was edited on 1/15/20 at 9:16 am
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7160 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:32 am to
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You see you have no upvotes right?
This thread is a "Bash Miles" thread. The down votes don't bother me.



quote:

Its because frick your stupid stats. JJ was a total bust in the title game. Throw all that garbage out the window and give Lee a shot.
The game was already outta hand anyway...wheres the harm?
Where's the harm? Miles has a choice.

At halftime of the BCSCG, Jefferson had completed 85.71% of his passes, and he had a QB efficiency rating of 116.91.

At the end of the third quarter of the BCSCG, Jefferson had completed 76.92% of his passes, and he had a QB efficiency rating of 97.08.

Or Miles could turn to Lee:

In the 2008 game against Alabama, Lee had a QB Rating of 69.13 and a completion percentage of 38.24%.
In the 2009 game against Alabama, Lee had a QB Rating of 56.96 and a completion percentage of 40.00%.
In the 2010 game against Alabama, Lee had a QB Rating of 137.54 and a completion percentage of 57.14%.
In the 2011 game against Alabama, Lee had a QB Rating of 14.52 and a completion percentage of 42.19%.

Comparing Lee's QB Rating against Alabama to Jefferson's QB Rating against Alabama in the BCSCG, Lee had a higher QB Rating against Alabama only ONE time in Lee's entire career.

Comparing Lee's completion percentage against Alabama to Jefferson's completion percentage against Alabama in the BCSCG, Lee NEVER had a higher completion percentage against Alabama in Lee's entire career.

Miles can stick with a QB who is completing over 75% of his passes, or he can substitute Lee into the game.


Lee might have mixed things up. Lee might have sparked the team. However, the odds were not in Lee's favor. He was exactly the kind of QB that Alabama's defense feasted on: an immobile pocket passer. His history against Alabama confirms that statement, and his history against Alabama can be fairly described as abysmal.

On the other hand, Jefferson as QB slowed the Bama rush down. Moreover, Jefferson's ability to lead a second half comeback in 2011 was rock solid before the BCSCG. Jefferson had led comebacks in the last three HUGE games prior to the BCSCG: the GOTC, the Arkansas game, and the SECCG.


Many fans did not think at halftime of the GOTC that Jefferson was going to bring LSU to victory. However, in OT, Jefferson executed a perfect short-side option to Ford which put LSU in position for victory.

LSU beat Alabama at their house in the GOTC.


Many fans did not think with four minutes left in the half and LSU trailing 14-7 against Arkansas that Jefferson was going to bring LSU to victory. However, Jefferson passed for 208 yards, LSU's second highest passing total of the season, and Jefferson rushed for an additional 53 yards, all against the #3 team in the nation which positioned LSU for victory.

LSU blew the doors off of Arkansas, won the SEC West, and earned an invitation in the SECCG.


Many fans did not think at halftime with LSU trailing 10-7 to Georgia in the SECCG that Jefferson was going to bring LSU to victory. However, Jefferson executed options and zone reads to near perfection, and he threw a TD pass to Hilliard as LSU's offense scored FOUR TDs against a Top Five defense in their own backyard.

LSU rushed for over 200 yards, and Jefferson being the QB was an integral part of that, and LSU blew out Georgia and earned the right to play in the BCSCG.


So, of course, many fans did not think at halftime of Jan 9 that Jefferson was going to bring LSU to victory. Unfortunately, the stars were aligned against LSU that night. They never got the spark they needed against a totally amped up Alabama team that was desperate for redemption. However, Jefferson completed nearly 65% of his passes despite his porous offensive line. Had LSU been able to continue to switch it up and throw more in the second half of the BCSCG, it might have been a different story. However, the line could not hold Alabama back long enough to give Jefferson time to throw.


Jefferson played in FOUR huge games in 2011: the GOTC, the Arkansas game, the SECCG, and the BCSCG. At halftime, or four minutes before the half, LSU was losing in each of those games. Nevertheless, Miles showed faith in Jefferson, and Jefferson delivered in every game but one.

Thus, in my opinion, given the three HUGE games before the BCSCG, a reasonable mind could rationally choose to stick with Jefferson for the second half of the BCSCG because it had worked well in the three previous HUGE games.
Posted by tiggah1981
Winterfell
Member since Aug 2007
18069 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:41 am to
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wasn't that one of Jefferson's games was better than one of Lee's games. It wasn't that the average of Jefferson's three starts was better than the average of Lee's starts. Every regular season game that Jefferson started was better than every regular season game that Lee started.


Not that I’m a JJ supporter, but I shake my head when trant wanted Lee in that game.

Lee would have done the same or worse against that D, that D would have ate that statue up in the backfield

That offense relied heavily on an effective running game to open up the pass

Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:42 am to
At some point, spill the beans or stfu. Otherwise, former players shitting on Miles after all this time are just being little bitches.

West Monroe had a frosty relationship with Les, so when shade comes from that direction, there’s a bias in it.
Posted by lsu1919
Member since May 2017
3244 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:43 am to
I agree with one of the twitter commenters. Tell the story or get over it and quite with the vague references.

If he's said what happened I missed it.
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:44 am to
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Miles lost his team that day and never was able to control them again.
How familiar are you with the 2015 Texas A&M game?
Posted by xiv
Parody. #AdminsRule
Member since Feb 2004
39508 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:46 am to
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I'd love to know what, exactly, made them maintain this level of anger after so many years.
I bet the story is a dud.
Posted by StealthCalais11
Lurker since 2007
Member since Aug 2011
12531 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:13 am to
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I bet the story is a dud.


Halftime
Team - Coach, let's use the new gameplan we practiced & give Lee a shot.
Les - NO

end of story
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