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re: How will LSU adapt to new scholarship limits? Brian Kelly's still trying to sort it out.

Posted on 8/3/24 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by JimTiger72
LA
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 1:26 pm to
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Does the new rule not allow walk ons in addition to raising the numbers to 105 scholarships?

No, it’s a 105 roster limit. Doesn’t matter how many are on scholarship or not
This post was edited on 8/3/24 at 1:27 pm
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 1:30 pm to
Nope. Roster size = # of scholarships you offer, of which the limit is 105.

They can’t figure out how to do profit sharing with walk-ons.
This post was edited on 8/3/24 at 2:05 pm
Posted by BlueFalcon
Aberdeen Scotland
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 1:32 pm to
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But to remain compliant with Title IX, each school must offer an equal number of scholarships to its male and female athletes. If an athletic department decides to allow, say, its football program to award an extra 20 scholarships, then it must also spread 20 more scholarships across the women’s sports programs it offers.


If the "student athlete" identifies as a woman does that count?
Posted by Gee Grenouille
Member since Jul 2018
8056 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 1:52 pm to
Kim Mulkey is licking her chops right now
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
49682 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 2:22 pm to
To hell with the NCAA and title IX. It is a outdated toothless rule and organization. NCAA can't do anything, they cease to exist shortly anyway.
Posted by thejuiceisloose
Member since Nov 2018
6387 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 2:47 pm to
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To hell with the NCAA and title IX. It is a outdated toothless rule and organization. NCAA can't do anything, they cease to exist shortly anyway.


Ok get rid of the NCAA now you'd be ruled wholly by the SEC office... meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Also I doubt the law will be repealed
Posted by CubsFanBudMan
Member since Jul 2008
6143 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 2:54 pm to
This could get ugly if the players aren't locked in. Why fill a full 105 when the NFL gets by with 50 something plus practice squad? Make it known the we will have 80 players and recruit from the transfer portal every year? If 2022 freshman were willing to take a scholarship just to transfer the next year, why bother paying them in year one going forward? They asked for this
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
47483 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 2:56 pm to
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By a millionaire football player giving up his scholly, it saves LSU from having to grant a scholly to a woman to keep the numbers balanced per Title 9.



Why does it matter? LSU has plenty of $



The issue is the number of scholarships they have to give.

I looked at what sports are listed on LSUSports. Currently, men's sports can have 23.2 more scholarships to give than women's sports.

With the new limits, the disparity will be even higher, 29. I am not sure how all this is accounted for but it seems this would make it more difficult to adequately comply with Title IX.

ETA: to fix a typo on the disparity number, should have been 29 not 92.
This post was edited on 8/4/24 at 2:41 pm
Posted by goodgrin
Atlanta, GA
Member since Nov 2003
7032 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 5:55 pm to
I think 95 would have been a better number.
Posted by 6R12
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2005
11970 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 7:35 pm to
Do it like Bama and ND years ago when they had so many players they needed to have players from goal line to goal line.
Posted by cajun12
Houma, LA
Member since Sep 2004
2543 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 7:54 pm to
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Kim Mulkey is licking her chops right now



just think what Jay Johnson is doing? he's getting a bunch more schollies too
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
60664 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 10:20 pm to
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Wonder if this ever leads to the revival of JV / freshman leagues.
it will never happen but i'd LOVE this
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12846 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 3:17 am to
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With the new limits, the disparity will be even higher, 92. I am not sure how all this is accounted for but it seems this would make it more difficult to adequately comply with Title IX.

Yeah it’s going to gut other non-revenue men’s sports (whichever ones are left) if I had to guess.

Between Title IX, the transfer portal, recruiting, and simple math.. I could see an argument to not spend 105 scholarships. You can only use 80 players (70 if you’re the visiting team) in a game anyway. So by going from 85-105 scholarships, you’re adding 20 scholarship players who won’t even actually be available in games.

And then you throw the revenue sharing into the mix. More players = less money per player if the school reaches the rev share cap. Also (potentially) means less NIL money to go around.

It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
10923 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 1:10 pm to
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Why does it matter? LSU has plenty of $


not as much as you think they do.

new roster/scholarship limits across all sports add 242 new athletic scholarships at LSU.

that’s additional expense of over $8mil per year.
Football will reportedly begin paying players directly (not NIL, actual payments) with a cap of around $15 mil per year.

that’s $23 mil more in expenses per year for a department that turned a $1.3 mil profit last year.

and there is NO WAY were just paying football players and not other sports.
or also adding NIL funds for all those additional scholarship player.

so LSU will be well over $20 mil in the negative unless they also find a way to bring in that much more than they already do.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
47483 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 2:39 pm to
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Kim Mulkey is licking her chops right now



She gets 0 extra scholarships so Women's basketball is the only sport that LSU offers that does not get an increase from what I see.

Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12846 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 3:00 pm to
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Thanks for posting this. I didn’t realize how much the limits were changing for the women’s sports.

It actually seems manageable from a Title IX standpoint. If we assume that the men’s revenue sports (football, basketball, baseball) go up to the max, that’s 44.3 additional scholarships that need to be matched on the women’s side. That seems doable. I think what we’re going to see is that the men’s non-revenue sports simply won’t all be able to get up to the scholarship limit.

One interesting aspect about all of this is how the AD has to manage the numbers for each sport. Like.. if LSU football doesn’t get up to 105 in year one, then what? Do they add scholarships in any other men’s sports, or keep them reserved for football? Do they reduce the number of scholarships they add in the women’s sports?

I don’t know the intricacies of how Title IX works, either - does it mean there have to be an equal or greater number of women’s scholarships every year or is there some kind of rolling average?
Posted by TheRouxGuru
Member since Nov 2019
14272 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 3:13 pm to
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2000 less D1 roster spots is really going to kick specialists in the nuts.


What?
Posted by ABTigah
Member since Jan 2015
231 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 3:14 pm to
More room to develop players. The portal still offers the opportunity to patch holes or add the occasional difference maker.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
10923 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 5:32 pm to
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One interesting aspect about all of this is how the AD has to manage the numbers for each sport. Like.. if LSU football doesn’t get up to 105 in year one, then what? Do they add scholarships in any other men’s sports, or keep them reserved for football?


you can’t transfer them from one sport to the other.

105 is the limit in football 34 in baseball.

you can’t short one team and add them to another.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12846 posts
Posted on 8/4/24 at 5:40 pm to
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you can’t transfer them from one sport to the other.

105 is the limit in football 34 in baseball.

you can’t short one team and add them to another.

That’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about Title IX and the presumption that LSU is unlikely to add a full 55 scholarships (for example) between men’s track and swim.

ETA: To clarify, if LSU were to increase scholarships to the full roster limits in every sport, that would mean nearly doubling the amount of athletic scholarships. This is happening alongside revenue sharing. While the cost of scholarships apparently counts towards the revenue sharing cap (meaning they don’t increase the financial impact), every scholarship you offer in a non-revenue sport reduces the amount of money you have available to attract players in the revenue sports.

Of the 235 new scholarships, 44 would be in the men’s revenue sports. That means 191 of your scholarships are in non-revenue sports. I don’t know the exact value of those scholarships, but LSU’s published cost of attendance is ~$27k/year. That’s over $5 million per year in additional scholarships for non-revenue sports, which puts a significant dent in your revenue sharing money. I don’t personally think we will see every sport hit the new scholarship limits for this reason.

Title IX is a factor because presumably, if LSU were to add the full 44 new scholarships in revenue men’s sports then they would also have to add roughly the same number of scholarships in non-revenue women’s sports. This is something the entire athletic department has to manage, but Kelly’s decisions on scholarships for the football program might have a major impact. Hence my question about how the AD manages things if football doesn’t use the full 105 in the first year.
This post was edited on 8/4/24 at 6:05 pm
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