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re: How does Miles rank, among the top active coaches in America?
Posted on 10/14/12 at 11:39 pm to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 10/14/12 at 11:39 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:so if 10 or 15 teams meet that criteria, they are all on top?
Besides my point is because he and the rest of the staff make so much money, and seemingly get greatly talented players they SHOULD be up at the top of CFB. If they weren't then it would be a vast waste of resources, talent, money and support.
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Posted on 10/14/12 at 11:49 pm to tiggerthetooth
so let me get this straight,your position is that miles success is due to the people and staff around him and the money spent on the personnel and that there are many other coaches available that can do a better job with the same resources.
Posted on 10/15/12 at 12:00 am to dreaux
quote:thats a great point and one thing that people fail to realize that out of the top 15 teams listed none of those teams win every game they play or get into the bcs every year.and what makes what clm is doing here at lsu all the more impressive is he has a harder path to success than most of the programs on that list.just think of clm numbers if you put this lsu team in the big 10 pac 12 or the big 12.
so if 10 or 15 teams meet that criteria, they are all on top?
Posted on 10/15/12 at 12:06 am to purple passion
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2 Les Miles, LSU, 7+ yrs, 81-19, 81%
Tigerdroppings is where Negatigers dreams go to die!
Posted on 10/15/12 at 12:12 am to tigerswin03
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so let me get this straight,your position is that miles success is due to the people and staff around him and the money spent on the personnel and that there are many other coaches available that can do a better job with the same resources.
Which is all conjecture.
Add in, which successful programs don't have people and staff helping them?
The hoops some would rather jump though rather than simply admit that LM is doing a great job at what he and every other coach get paid to do...WIN...is really fun to watch.
Posted on 10/15/12 at 12:24 am to Lonnie4LSU
what gets me is that people think we should win every game we play and go to the bcscg every year.but what teams success would they trade with Texas, auburn , Florida, USC, Oklahoma, Michigan, Virginia tech,insert any team name.....people dont realize just how good we have it.
Posted on 10/15/12 at 12:28 am to TheDeathValley
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Hate him or not, the stats don't lie.
This is the short answer. He's definitely in the top 3.
Posted on 10/15/12 at 1:01 am to tiggerthetooth
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tiggerthetooth
You're right, Tigger. I guess Miles has everybody fooled but you. If only men like Alleva and Chavis could know what you know.
Posted on 10/15/12 at 1:28 am to tigerswin03
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so let me get this straight,your position is that miles success is due to the people and staff around him and the money spent on the personnel and that there are many other coaches available that can do a better job with the same resources.
Im saying LSU's success is in many ways a result of a system in place that makes winning football games an easier task than at many other schools. Do I feel like someone could do more than what Les Miles has done? Yes I do think so. Its an opinion of course, just like your opinion that he is a top 5, or 3 or 2 football coach. I never solely blame him for losses, never have. I do blame him as a large part of our offensive struggles. I get tired of the week to week, "LSU is the greatest in the world" attitude after one win, and "LSU is the worst in the world" after a loss. Les Miles could only be truly measured as a football coach if it were only him calling all the plays offense and defense against other coaches doing likewise. If that doesn't happen then you can't help but consider who plays a part in getting LSU to the point its at, and the answer is many people.
Posted on 10/15/12 at 1:30 am to tigerswin03
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what gets me is that people think we should win every game we play and go to the bcscg every year.but what teams success would they trade with Texas, auburn , Florida, USC, Oklahoma, Michigan, Virginia tech,insert any team name.....people dont realize just how good we have it.
While I agree we should be thankful for our success I think if you look at LSU from season to season, game to game, and play to play there are certainly many areas you could say LSU could have done better. LSU players themselves have said they could have done better, whether you believe in the credibility of these players is your choice, but I agree with them.
Posted on 10/15/12 at 1:36 am to tiggerthetooth
Give it a rest. You're going off on tangents and the OP asked a simple question.
All this maybe, how much money he and coaches in other programs make and blah blah blah..... have nothing to do with that question.
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How does Miles rank, among the top active coaches in America?
All this maybe, how much money he and coaches in other programs make and blah blah blah..... have nothing to do with that question.
This post was edited on 10/15/12 at 1:44 am
Posted on 10/15/12 at 1:37 am to Gulf Coast Tiger
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If it so easy to win at LSU why haven't more coaches had the same success as Miles?
Maybe because the coaches before Miles didnt have the same recruiting base and system in place besides Saban. Maybe the athletic academic facilities, the athlete dorms, the workout facilities, the trainers, the position coaches abilities to recruit werent all the same? There are tons of ingredients to make a successful program, one guy doesnt just walk in and change things instantly, it takes building reputations with high school coaches, players, families, the people within the University you need to help you discipline players, put them down the right paths, keep their grades in order etc. etc.
Posted on 10/15/12 at 1:48 am to purple passion
Coach Miles first 100 games in SEC
81-19.
Thanks coach, hope you stay for another 100.
100th game was SCar past Saturday
In 7 years
3 ATL invites
2 CC's
2 NC invites
1 NC
5-2 bowls
5 11 or more win seasons
3rd highest winning % in CFB 2005-2011
81-19.
Thanks coach, hope you stay for another 100.
100th game was SCar past Saturday
In 7 years
3 ATL invites
2 CC's
2 NC invites
1 NC
5-2 bowls
5 11 or more win seasons
3rd highest winning % in CFB 2005-2011
Posted on 10/15/12 at 2:30 am to tiggerthetooth
So miles can be blamed for every loss, but not wins. What do you have against the guy? The buck starts and stops with Miles rt? He recruits the players, he hires the assistants. Your response is laughable.
He graduates players, he keeps the money rolling in. Bcs bowl wins, on TV every weekend.
He graduates players, he keeps the money rolling in. Bcs bowl wins, on TV every weekend.
This post was edited on 10/15/12 at 2:33 am
Posted on 10/15/12 at 3:56 am to tiggerthetooth
quote:but you see clm recruits the players and hires his coaches,if he hires bad coaches and they dont win clm gets fired......ask gerry dinardo how that lou tepper hire worked out for him
Im saying LSU's success is in many ways a result of a system in place that makes winning football games an easier task than at many other schools. Do I feel like someone could do more than what Les Miles has done? Yes I do think so. Its an opinion of course, just like your opinion that he is a top 5, or 3 or 2 football coach. I never solely blame him for losses, never have. I do blame him as a large part of our offensive struggles. I get tired of the week to week, "LSU is the greatest in the world" attitude after one win, and "LSU is the worst in the world" after a loss. Les Miles could only be truly measured as a football coach if it were only him calling all the plays offense and defense against other coaches doing likewise. If that doesn't happen then you can't help but consider who plays a part in getting LSU to the point its at, and the answer is many people
Posted on 10/15/12 at 8:29 am to tigerswin03
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people dont realize just how good we have it.
19-2, 11-1 in our last 21 games, NR in the Top 10 since 11-2010, and currently 6-1 and NR at #6.
81-19 since 2005, leading BCS programs in wins, leading the SEC in wins/West titles, tied for most SEC titles in that period, and 2 BCSCG appearences in the last 5 yrs.
That's how good LSU/LSU fANS have had it!
We have had a dirappointing pasting game, but while having that disappointing passing attack our TEAM has found a way to overcome it and become one of the very most successful in college football.
It's a case of some of those "people" you referenced not being able to see the forest for the trees.
This post was edited on 10/15/12 at 8:33 am
Posted on 10/15/12 at 8:53 am to dgnx6
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He graduates players, he keeps the money rolling in. Bcs bowl wins, on TV every weekend.
And you can add that he has the b@lls to kick off (or suspend) big time players that don't play by the rules... I'm certain that the program is not 100% clean. None are. Some may not agree, but integrity goes a long way with me.
Posted on 10/15/12 at 8:56 am to tiggerthetooth
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Yeah we need perspective every waking fricking moment.
this
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Stop acting like Les miles is solely responsible for every win LSU has ever had during his time at LSU.
and this.
Posted on 10/15/12 at 9:01 am to tiggerthetooth
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While I agree we should be thankful for our success I think if you look at LSU from season to season, game to game, and play to play there are certainly many areas you could say LSU could have done better. LSU players themselves have said they could have done better, whether you believe in the credibility of these players is your choice, but I agree with them
We say this because we are LSU fans and watch LSU very closely.
All fanbases say the exact same thing. We don't see other teams imperfections beacuse, for the most part, all we see are their highlight reels.
As for the original question: As much as he pisses me off at times, Miles has to be considered one of the top 5 coaches in CFB. NO ONE wins 80% of their games in this conference on luck and talent alone. Anyone who says otherwise clearly has an agenda.
Posted on 10/15/12 at 9:11 am to purple passion
I'm a Les Miles fan because of the man and guy he is and how he relates to the young men at LSU and that he allows his assistant coaches to coach with one exception.
The way he inserts himself into the offensive scheme and play calling. We've had Jimbo Fisher, Crowton, Kragthorpe, & Stud, and without question Les's fingerprints are all over stifling these guys from what they want to do so that they run the "Les" Big Ten offense of line up and run at you and dominate you at the line of scrimmage.
Don't get me wrong, I love it when it works, and it's worked over 80% of the time but against a Muschamp/Saban type defense it doesn't and until we can win against those guys by adjusting our approach we will not get the big prized we are physically capable of getting.
I totally blame our scheme for the red zone ineptness and lack of offensive production the last few SEC games.
If Les doesn't adjust, we are not going to beat Bama.
The way he inserts himself into the offensive scheme and play calling. We've had Jimbo Fisher, Crowton, Kragthorpe, & Stud, and without question Les's fingerprints are all over stifling these guys from what they want to do so that they run the "Les" Big Ten offense of line up and run at you and dominate you at the line of scrimmage.
Don't get me wrong, I love it when it works, and it's worked over 80% of the time but against a Muschamp/Saban type defense it doesn't and until we can win against those guys by adjusting our approach we will not get the big prized we are physically capable of getting.
I totally blame our scheme for the red zone ineptness and lack of offensive production the last few SEC games.
If Les doesn't adjust, we are not going to beat Bama.
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