re: How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?

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How do you know it wasn’t?

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Probably the part where he is worried that the middle man didnt get enough adter mom and player took theirs.

Kinda a dead giveaway, ya think?

That is , of course, unless kids routinely divide a scholarship offer qith their mom and handler.

Also, if it were a scholarship offer, they arent uogradable...so his offer would have been exactly the same as any other school.

Idiot

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How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?

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I haven't read through this entire thread.

But, if I were going to create a plausible deniability defense, here's what I'd say.

Wade should say that the conversation that was taped is an example of how he must "talk big" to these 3rd parties. While LSU would never actually do business with these guys, you have to play the game long enough to make it past these 3rd parties and into the living rooms of the kids and their parents. These guys don't seal deals, they can be gatekeepers. And, if you aren't careful, they often have enough power to prevent you from being able to recruit a kid.

Thus, part of his recruiting technique is to talk big to these 3rd parties about how willing we are to play the game. You want to keep these guys on the hook and not eliminate yourself. In the end, you never end up doing business with them. But, you always pretend that doing business with them is a possibility. And, frankly, you lie about what you've done with others to give you credibility. You do that because if the 3rd party thinks there might be a deal to be made, he won't throw his weight around.

In a perfect world we wouldn't have to play these games and navigate these 3rd parties. None of these people are working on behalf of LSU or Wade. These are people who interject themselves very early in the process. And, you have to find a way around them in order to recruit the kids. THAT'S THE UNFORTUNATE TRUTH OF THE COLLEGE BASKETBALL WORLD WE LIVE IN. But, every recruit we've won over eventually is done in the living room with him and his family. It just takes salesmanship with these 3rd parties to get to that point.

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How can you call the fans supporting Will Wade hypocrites when in the same breath they typically defend it by citing other examples of cheating by other teams.

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Not sure I follow. The only person I e called a hypocrite, is Dickie V.

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Probably the most believable "explanation" I've heard, yet...as long as there is no direct link to WW or another conversation that submarines that explanation.

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correct

Plausible only makes sense if there is no direct evidence indicating otherwise.

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How can anyone defend the conversations from the tapes?

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I will ask this question of you as I've asked many others and still have yet to get a single answer: What NCAA rule did WW violate according to the information on the tapes? I don't want to hear any assumptions or other BS, just tell me what rule he violated. The FBI found Jack-shite, the NCAA has found, Jack-shite, but all these media people and the pubic have WW burning at the fricking stake. Just answer the question. Nobody needs to defend what is on the tapes because there is nothing incriminating on the damn tapes!

I didn’t hear it. YOU?


O Yea.

frick YOU

I'm sure YOU are correct. Kindly point me to the link, where after the 2nd partial transcript was leaked that WW said he did nothing wrong and violated no NCAA rule-- should be easy since you claim he said "EXACTLY that". When you do that, I will ban myself for a week. And if you can't, then ban yourself for a week.

Sure, he said it is not all as it appears, but he issued no denial like what I stated above. And I want him to explain it away, bc I like his winning ways.

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. Wades a cheater, and yet 90% of this board is defending him.

Its disgraceful.

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We are defending him because we are waiting for the facts, and because our team, in the most exciting postseason in years, are deprived of our coach.

To explain this phenomenon to those, like yourself who take a different point of view, here’s a very interesting article on the psychology of why sports team’s fans are supportive, in spite of potential unethical and immoral behaviour/activity. It’s long so I’ll quote some of it.

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“For fans, as much as ever, this N.C.A.A. tournament serves as a taste test for our unholy appetites.
It is called “moral dissonance,” Bowen said, “where someone thinks, ‘Gosh, this is unethical, but I love it so much, and my friends and I have such a good time rooting and cheering that I’m going to participate anyway.’”

Steven Mintz, a professor emeritus at California Polytechnic State University in San Luis Obispo who writes a blog called Ethics Sage, called it “ethical blindness.”.
Some people say, ‘We can live with this, simply for the love of the game,’” Mintz said.

Louisiana State’s season began in tragedy, with the shooting death of one of its players, Wayde Sims, on the eve of preseason practices. Now it climaxes in the most N.C.A.A. way possible, with each victory treated as either a feel-good story of redemption or a cautious tale of corruption.

A yearslong F.B.I. investigation burst into public view in late 2017, exposing the type of black-market underbelly long presumed in college sports, especially men’s basketball.

Waves from the investigation continue to wash detritus to shore as cases flow through the court system. A year ago, Yahoo Sports reported that the F.B.I.’s investigation had implicated at least 25 programs. Among them were six members of this year’s round of 16, including three No. 1 seeds — Duke, North Carolina and Virginia — and second-seeded Kentucky.

So far, none have been publicly outed for transgressions related directly to the F.B.I. case (Except LSU), but at least one entire region will be contested this weekend with teams playing under an ethical cloud.

Little of this conversation ever breaks through the cheers surrounding the N.C.A.A. tournament. It is rarely discussed earnestly on CBS, which is paying the N.C.A.A. nearly $1 billion a year, on average, to televise the tournament through 2032.

When something happens that you think is wrong, that you’re morally critical of, you don’t necessarily walk away from that relationship,” Klein said.
“Just as you can have a friend who’s done something to you, but because you like them, you love them, you stay with them,” Haney said. “You don’t turn your back on them, knowing that change is coming.”

Fandom is not a rational pursuit from the get-go,” said Bowen, who helped write “Sport, Ethics and Leadership,” a textbook. “The joy is that it’s an emotional experience, a great getaway. We want that. But on the flip side, emotion hijacks reason all the time.”

You will note that there are 2 different kinds of fans, your 90%, highly emotionally attached and loyal to CWW until we find out facts.

And your 10%, who are in the “corruption” camp, already having a more dispassionate attitude already believing the hint of the facts. By your own percentages you are in the minority.

I trust that you can now understand emotionally connected fans (like myself), and why so many of us feel this way. We are a different kind of fanatic.

So it doesn’t matter what you say you’ll never change our views.

To me, it's making even more sense now. It's not only a full scholarship with all of the amenities...It's also a close to home offer and near his mentor. I wouldn't be surprised if this was completely blown out of control.