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re: Horrible WR routes on 2nd Mettenberger fumble
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:05 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:05 pm to Tiger_n_ATL
One of them has to be running the wrong route, God I hope so anyway surely that is not by design. 
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Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:06 pm to cadelaf
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that's why Josh D was cutting the DE. Suppose to be something quick.
I'm aware it was a chop block, or rather, an attempt at a chop block, but still..
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:07 pm to TigerWerm
FIRE WILSON
eta: And it looks like Clement is standing there while Jarvis and running toward the sideline, therefore not bad route running. Thread is stupid
eta: And it looks like Clement is standing there while Jarvis and running toward the sideline, therefore not bad route running. Thread is stupid
This post was edited on 9/25/12 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:08 pm to TigerWerm
The announcer said Lemon ear. Is that the right pronunciation?
I thought Lemoin er
The play was to the left it developed very fast in real time. 2 receivers on the left side of the field not in view on that pic.
I thought Lemoin er
The play was to the left it developed very fast in real time. 2 receivers on the left side of the field not in view on that pic.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:10 pm to tc5140
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Also see 68 on the ground.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:10 pm to brewhan davey
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I'm aware it was a chop block, or rather, an attempt at a chop block, but still..
Please explain what a chop block is.
Thank you.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:11 pm to Macintosh504
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And it looks like Clement is standing there while Jarvis and running toward the sideline, therefore not bad route running. Thread is stupid
watch the video! they are literally within 1 yard of each other when coming out of their breaks. Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:14 pm to Broketec
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Except for the fact that it was designed to be a 3 step BOOM to the left side of the field.
You're drawing conclusions based on information no one had when the play was called, ball was snapped or drop back was made.
In hindsight, had he known he'd have a quick out to the right before he snapped the ball, sure, why not.
You're taking a lot of credit away from a good defensive playcall and putting too much blame on LSU and Mett.
I could hindsight every single play of every game 3 seconds after the ball was snapped, take a screen shot of it and point out whats wrong with it. You're reaching.
This. All of it.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:14 pm to Putty
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All I see is Dworaczyk getting beasted in a 5 on 3 scenario.
Thats because you see what you want to see. I spent about 3 paragraphs explaining this play yesterday but the pic, if taken in context shows it all.
At the point this pic was taken, JD had already cut Lemonier, forcing him to put both hands on the ground to regain his balance.
In the pic, Mett had ALREADY looked out to Landry and decided NOT to throw it even though it appears Landry is open for first down yardage. Mett has already pulled it down and is looking to scramble.
Yes JD could have made a SLIGHTLY better cut block but even if Lemonier had went completely to the ground he would likely have popped up and sacked Mett anyway.
The rantards have been blaming JD for this play since the game ended....but to my eyes the blame lies more with Mett and/or the recievers.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:15 pm to lsuexpert57
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.but to my eyes the blame lies more with Mett and/or the recievers.
landry was open. If that was his first option as you say he should have thrown it- period
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:17 pm to Broketec
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except for that part where mett was about to get raped by a linebacker while our lineman is taking a breather on the ground
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:17 pm to TigerWerm
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watch the video! they are literally within 1 yard of each other when coming out of their breaks.
so?
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:18 pm to stapuffmarshy
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huh? Landry looks open on the still picture
He is.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:22 pm to Putty
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Horrible WR routes on 2nd Mettenberger fumble
dude landry is wide open and mett is looking the other way. It was a horrible chop block but if he is looking to the right and actually throws the ball then it would have been a first down. He still would have got laid out though. My only question is if we have 3 reciever's to the right why the hell is he looking left first??
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:22 pm to LSUAlum2001
Yeah, I gotta put that on Mett for the most part. Landry was open and he looks away from that option. At that point everyone else is covered.
Josh D could have executed the chop block better, but Lemonior (sp?) is a first round draft pick next year so that happens sometimes.
Josh D could have executed the chop block better, but Lemonior (sp?) is a first round draft pick next year so that happens sometimes.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:23 pm to CamdenTiger
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It was a short route on the near side that got jumped, hence the failed cut-block. The far side routes were ghosts, or epic fail/misread by the wr's. Still bad design, and couldn't tell if there was an outlet/second choice. I hope it just was a bad design, and not his only option.
I agree with this. There were multiple problems with this play.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:23 pm to LSUAlum2001
I really don't think Landry was his first option.
I think the play was designed to be thrown quickly to the left. That's why JD cut block and it's also why the C, RG, and RT all max protected to his supposed back side.
It's also why Landry and Clement both ran similar out patterns on the right side, to simply move defenders away from the play.
I could be wrong, but I think Mett looked the wrong way. I also believe he realized his mistake, but it was too late so he tried to make something out of it.
Just based on how the play was run.
I think the play was designed to be thrown quickly to the left. That's why JD cut block and it's also why the C, RG, and RT all max protected to his supposed back side.
It's also why Landry and Clement both ran similar out patterns on the right side, to simply move defenders away from the play.
I could be wrong, but I think Mett looked the wrong way. I also believe he realized his mistake, but it was too late so he tried to make something out of it.
Just based on how the play was run.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:26 pm to BOZ4LSU
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Also see 68 on the ground.
That's where a lineman usually ends up when executing a cut block. Problem is, the defensive player is supposed to end up there as well. CL played the block well and essentially slid past the block. JD's timing was terribly off, due more to CL's ability than his on inability IMO.
I think they should have been chip-blocking on passing downs from the outset.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:29 pm to TigerWerm
at 1:09, more like 1:08.5
He looks at his right side options. All 3 receivers are engaged with blockers and the "cut block" fail has begun.
At 1:07, about one and a half seconds later, he's alerady looked over to his right side options.
This entire play is the result of a good defensive playcall and a good attack by a badass linebacker. Plain and simple. He went through his progressions, nothing was there and he took a sack instead of throwing it away.
His only mistake was not holding on to the ball good enough. Thats all.
He looks at his right side options. All 3 receivers are engaged with blockers and the "cut block" fail has begun.
At 1:07, about one and a half seconds later, he's alerady looked over to his right side options.
This entire play is the result of a good defensive playcall and a good attack by a badass linebacker. Plain and simple. He went through his progressions, nothing was there and he took a sack instead of throwing it away.
His only mistake was not holding on to the ball good enough. Thats all.
Posted on 9/25/12 at 1:29 pm to ROUSTER
here is a better picture of the play. The main problem is all 5 guys were starting their routes straight off the line and were jammed. This is where our passing attack fails, IMO. The right call with the cut block is to have Ware cut underneath Boone, the throwing lane is wide open. Also, at this point in the play, Landry isn't open and throwing to him would've have been real risky, which is why Mett came back to the left side.
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