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re: Hopefully Dave Aranda was watching Sunday Night Football
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:11 am to Topwater Trout
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:11 am to Topwater Trout
I would not rank our D talent overall that high. DL is OK at best. They do not get push. MLB and CB1 are other worldly. CB2 and SS are good. The rest are barely SEC caliber in my opinion. 4 out of 11 are good +. A good coach can scheme to our weaknesses. Ours can’t, but other good OCs can!
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:14 am to BayouBengal99
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People get so damn butt hurt when Aranda gets some deserved criticism. What it shows is that Aranda isn't this god like DC and when he has key injuries on his side, he struggles also.
But let O or Steve E slip up a little bit because of some bad fortune and they'll be hollering like a bunch of little monkeys in the jungle. Bunch of sounds making noise but not making any sense or have real cause for it. "Frick Dem".
Aranda "slipping up" results in a top 25 scoring defense and top 15 in both efficiency and S&P+.
The next time the offense sniffs either of these rankings the OC will get just as much praise. Deal?
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:17 am to Goldrush25
It's called criticism...it's all you O hating morons know . And if you little boys cannot handle criticism of the greatest DC in football history ...your problem.
Grow up. Aranda failed. Deal with it.
Grow up. Aranda failed. Deal with it.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:27 am to AshLSU
Please tell me the Coach Of Your Wet Dreams!
Who will lead lsu to untold glory???
Who is that perfect wet dream???
Please enlighten us all!
Who can possibly meet your high standards??
Do tell.
Who will lead lsu to untold glory???
Who is that perfect wet dream???
Please enlighten us all!
Who can possibly meet your high standards??
Do tell.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:29 am to BayouBengal99
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People get so damn butt hurt when Aranda gets some deserved criticism. What it shows is that Aranda isn't this god like DC and when he has key injuries on his side, he struggles also.
Who said he was a god?
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:33 am to Topwater Trout
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in which the defense couldn't stop their offense
In which the defense scored a TD to even get us to OT. In which the offense looked anemic for most of the game. In which the offense could have put the game away by getting a first down.
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boy yall have really lowered the bar on whats an acceptable defense at LSU...this is not worth 2.5 mil
Are you really this blind to understand that we fielded one of the worst offenses in the past decade this year so the defense obviously suffered because of it? Also if you deflate the numbers from the 7OT game the defense was #12 in opponent ppg.
Look we can debate who is to blame for the ATM game all we want, but it's quite apparent that our defense (for the rest of the season) did damn well considering the offense. I'm not saying Aranda called every play perfectly or that the defense was elite this year. I'm just saying that the defense is not regressing like you and others are trying to claim here. I would say, given the challenges on offense and the injuries on defense, fielding a defense with those numbers is doing quite well.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:42 am to The Boat
2008 Defense 36th
2013 Defense 15th
2018 Defense 30th
2013 Defense 15th
2018 Defense 30th
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:42 am to BayouBengal99
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What it shows is that Aranda isn't this god like DC and when he has key injuries on his side, he struggles also.
The difference when the defense stuggles is it's still a really good defense overall. When the offense "struggles" we're somewhere near dead last in almost every Offensive stat.
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But let O or Steve E slip up a little bit because of some bad fortune and they'll be hollering like a bunch of little monkeys in the jungle. Bunch of sounds making noise but not making any sense or have real cause for it.
You serious? Bad fortune? Slip up a little?
On offense we fielded one of the statistically worst LSU teams over the past decade in almost every Offensive stat this year. If it makes no sense as to why people were upset than I don't think you will ever get it.
And bad fortune isn't why we got blanked by Bama at home 2x under E as OC. Sorry. When you have an offense with guys like Fournette, Guice, Chark, Dupre, and a solid o line and can't score a point then that's not bad fortune. That's bad coaching.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:44 am to Topwater Trout
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boy yall have really lowered the bar on whats an acceptable defense at LSU...this is not worth 2.5 mil
You're impugning the choices of the head football coach then. He signed off on it.
If he's not worth it then they should've let him go to A&M.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:44 am to NolakcbrTiger
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It's called criticism...it's all you O hating morons know . And if you little boys cannot handle criticism of the greatest DC in football history ...your problem. Grow up. Aranda failed. Deal with it.
Nobody said Aranda was perfect but you swamp trash, gutter dwellers are acting like the defense was our biggest problem this year. It just shows your ignorance.
We all admit that Aranda is not perfect. No one is. But I dare you to poll fans of other teams and ask them what they would rather, be down by 6 and going up against our defense with 2 minutes left in the game or up by 6 going against our offense with 2 minutes left in the game.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:44 am to The Boat
I think There is an arguement to be made that Aranda needs an edge rusher in his defense and really just hasn’t had one since 2016.
Also we gave up more PPG in 2013 than we did this year even if you include the 7 OTs
Also we gave up more PPG in 2013 than we did this year even if you include the 7 OTs
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:47 am to The Boat
So much disrespect for our best coach. Y’all gone feel the pain when he leaves.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:49 am to RB10
“ top 25 scoring defense.”
The LSU D allowed 16 pts a game in 2016, 19 pts a game 2017, and 22 pts a game in 2018 after a 7 OT game.
Meanwhile, the LSU O ranked 10 in the SEC.
The LSU O did lead the SEC in one thing. Run attempts per game. I wonder what D’s were expecting when they played us.
The LSU D allowed 16 pts a game in 2016, 19 pts a game 2017, and 22 pts a game in 2018 after a 7 OT game.
Meanwhile, the LSU O ranked 10 in the SEC.
The LSU O did lead the SEC in one thing. Run attempts per game. I wonder what D’s were expecting when they played us.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:53 am to Topwater Trout
No DC is worth 2.5 unless your HC absolutely has nothing to do with either side of the ball.
Then all of a sudden a good DC is worth a lot.
Outside OT vs A&M when we were down, Fehoko, Chaisson, Phillips, Fulton, And Joseph were a top 10 scoring defense. We’re as good or better as any other year.
The only time the defense “fails” seems to be when they’ve kept us in a close game where the offense does nothing.
Now I’ll give you MSU and Alabama where neither side of the ball did shite.
But otherwise the Defense seems to only fail when the offense does jack shite, and we rely 100% on the defense.
And they don’t fail in those games all that often.
Then all of a sudden a good DC is worth a lot.
Outside OT vs A&M when we were down, Fehoko, Chaisson, Phillips, Fulton, And Joseph were a top 10 scoring defense. We’re as good or better as any other year.
The only time the defense “fails” seems to be when they’ve kept us in a close game where the offense does nothing.
Now I’ll give you MSU and Alabama where neither side of the ball did shite.
But otherwise the Defense seems to only fail when the offense does jack shite, and we rely 100% on the defense.
And they don’t fail in those games all that often.
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 10:56 am
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:56 am to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
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Something tells me Aranda is watching football right now, but it’s probably film. That man is a machine
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What’s his defensive ranks in total D, pass D, and rush D respectively each year since being hire. Let me know what kind of machine he is.
It's not like Aranda is producing defenses that rival the '86 Bears. His defenses sometimes look great and sometimes look terrible. They sometimes win games and other times lose games.
What bothers me, and seems hypocritical, is that the bar used to measure Aranda's quality as a coach is not the same one used to measure Orgeron's quality as a coach (or vise versa).
It seems more times than not when someone is asked to defend Aranda their argument devolves into "Orgeron", "Ensminger" or 'the offense'. Nobody is arguing the offense is better than the defense, but the defense has issues and Aranda should have to answer the same critical questions as Orgeron and Ensminger.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 10:57 am to RB10
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The persistence is to be admired, I guess.
I love Aranda but he isn't above criticism. His philosophy of not blitzing (when we have a great secondary) kills me. The one thing Saban always preaches is you must pressure the QB and in a few games we allowed mediocre QB's to sit back and have all day to pass. We were without Chaisson all year and for 2.5 mil I expect more from our dline.
Of course the offense sucks and needs to improve which will and would have helped our d more this year. The 2 games we lost the defense still had chances to win for us. Basically 3 of our last 4 losses the defense was in position to win the game and didn't...it isn't defending a bad offense saying that.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:00 am to KC Tiger
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but the defense has issues and Aranda should have to answer the same critical questions as Orgeron and Ensminger.
Outside of ATM what critical issues did you see the defense have throughout the entire season?
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:02 am to SammyTiger
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The only time the defense “fails” seems to be when they’ve kept us in a close game where the offense does nothing.
2 of our last 3 losses the defense needed one stop for us to win. Yeh we should've gone for it against ND and didn't and a first down wins the game vs A&M but we punted....i still expect the defense to not allow TDs on those possessions.
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:08 am to Topwater Trout
1. Go look at when Florida scores. It wasn’t a walk off win for them. We went up by 5 with 11:14 in the 4th. That’s a lot more than 1 stop. In fact the offense had the ball 2 times with time, down by 1 and 8. So a chance to win and a chance to tie, and we threw 2 picks.
Sorry the defense couldn’t cold Florida to 13 the entire game.
2. The defense tied the game with a TD vs A&M And our ST fricked our defense giving them the ball back in the red zone. We also stopped A&M on 4th and 5 at our own 37, only for our offense to go 3 and out and give them the ball back.
So again, you’re “all we needed was 1 stop”
Is fricking bullshite Because our offense can’t score point or close out games.
Sorry the defense couldn’t cold Florida to 13 the entire game.
2. The defense tied the game with a TD vs A&M And our ST fricked our defense giving them the ball back in the red zone. We also stopped A&M on 4th and 5 at our own 37, only for our offense to go 3 and out and give them the ball back.
So again, you’re “all we needed was 1 stop”
Is fricking bullshite Because our offense can’t score point or close out games.
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 11:13 am
Posted on 12/17/18 at 11:10 am to KC Tiger
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but the defense has issues and Aranda should have to answer the same critical questions as Orgeron and Ensminger.
No he shouldn’t. Not when it’s the defense that has kept up in these games.
Look, you can question a series or two of Aranda. But you can not question his abilities as a coach. He has proven he is capable. Can’t say that about Orgeron or Ensminger
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