re: Here’s my reasonable take on CBK

Time for you to quit posting

(Les was a couple of unlucky breaks from challenging Saban as the best coach at the time in college football.)

Yea, and a few more dumb time mgmt situations too. Ole miss game.

Saban was light years ahead of Les as A genius football Coach.

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Your stupid ! Stupid stupid stupid to throw away a season because you Lose the opener

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CBK is that his teams often look unprepared and aren’t capable of making in game adjustments.

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Unprepared? Like O in 2018 vs bama? Or like O in 2017 vs Miss State and Troy?

Unprepared? Like Les on 1/12/12? Or countless other times?

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likes to throw around buzz words that mean nothing like “alignment” or “graduate champions.”

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You missed his biggest one, "Trust the process".

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My biggest issue with CBK is that he appears to be learning on the job

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What? Every coach in America has been “learning on the job the past 3-4 years as college football is completely different than it was just 5 years ago with all the NIL, portal openings, and unlimited transfers creating a more mercenary culture than there’s ever been in the history of the sport. And it’s a known fact that LSU was significantly behind in getting buy-in from the collective and were competing against the big boys with much less money, having to fight with 1 arm tied behind our backs.

That seems to have finally been rectified and we have the right guys in the right places to be in a position to compete. But none of that was on Kelly. He could only work with what he was given. And he wasn’t given what the Bamas, Georgias, Ohio States, Texases, A&Ms, etc…were until this season.

And “alignment,” “process,” and “graduate champions” (or similar philosophies) have been used by good coaches for decades. Because they’ve worked. Of course, coaches are ultimately judged by their wins and losses (Kelly has won a shite ton of games by the way), but the obviously most-proven way to win is to have the best players. And up until recently, those were the ways to appeal to players and parents to collect the best players. “Graduate champions” or similar phrases that may seem cheesy used to actually work. And they still do for the players and families who are thinking more long-term instead of just going to whatever school gives them the biggest bag in the short term.

It may be hard to believe, but a lot of coaches—especially the older ones who got in the profession before exorbitant salaries—got into it because they cared about turning kids into men, and genuinely selling them and their families on the promise that going through their programs would make them better men, better husbands, better fathers, and would leave with degrees (a lot of times the 1st ones in their families to ever achieve that) that would put them in a position to have successful post-football professional careers once their very-short (relatively) football careers inevitably came to an end. Saban sold the shite out of that and is a huge part of the reason he was able to get 5 stars to stick around as backups willing to wait until their JR years to get on the field. And why so many of those would forego the draft and come back for their Sr. or even redshirt Sr. seasons. I’m not naive enough to suggest it was completely altruistic and not a strategy to get and keep the best players, but 2 things can right at the same time. He meant all those things, but also knew it was the best way to both build and maintain a successful—that, for him, became dominant—program. All coaches know/knew that, Saban was just the all-time best at selling it while also having the most resources.

Those strategies still work, just not nearly as well now with NIL and transfers. It takes a combination. And since LSU was not competing at the top level NIL-wise, Kelly had to lean in to what he had and do the best that he could with it. Considering that, I don’t see how his 3-year tenure here could be seen as anything other than a success.

Though granted, maybe not as big a success as we’d hoped when he got here, but those of you who are still holding him to the standard of our 3 previous coaches or his “judge me in year 3” statement are either being intellectually dishonest or are simply just stupid. College football has completely changed since he said that, and it’s not even the same sport as it was when Saban, Les, and Orgeron were roaming the Tiger Stadium sideline. With such drastic changes, should come altered expectations.

That said, I agree that everything seems to be in place this year, and barring an injury to Nuss, anything short of a playoff appearance should be considered a disappointing failure. But let’s see how it plays out before we prematurely shite on him for things that haven’t yet and very well may not even happen.

Geaux away

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So I do think he's a good coach, but given the above and given that it really took him longer than it should have to adjust to the culture and how to best maximize the advantages still inherent - I've been a bit disappointed.

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I think winning the west in year 1 was a pretty decent start

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Based on what?

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- defense

Dude, are you even a Tiger fan? We haven't played a down, and we could have a 2019 level team about to take the field. There's nothing reasonable about negative posting before the season even starts.