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re: Has it been discussed why Saban went for 2 after going ahead 21-17?
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:29 am to gumbeaux
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:29 am to gumbeaux
It was a dumb deceison both times...too early to go for 2. The analytics algorithm is not as good in accounting for high emotions in those scenarios.
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Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:32 am to gumbeaux
quote:Because a touchdown or two FGs puts the other team ahead regardless of whether you have a 4 or 5 point lead, but if it’s 6 then two FGs only ties you.
What was the advantage of trying to go ahead by 6 points instead of kicking the extra point to go ahead by 5?
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:35 am to Tigaux6661
quote:4th quarter isn’t too early, that has been the case forever, and to that point the game had been a struggle before all of the offense and back and forth broke out in the last 10 minutes
too early to go for 2. The analytics algorithm is not as good in accounting for high emotions in those scenarios.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:38 am to Tigaux6661
Josh Pate show, Finebaum show, all crying about poor Nicky cant coach anymore. Lol.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:39 am to gumbeaux
Eff the dumb arse chart. Don’t chase points until you absolutely need to. The first try was just as stupid.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:40 am to gumbeaux
He realized that the 10 pts gifted by the crooked SEC would not be sufficient.
Hahahahahaaaaa
Hahahahahaaaaa
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:42 am to MOT
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Because a touchdown or two FGs puts the other team ahead regardless of whether you have a 4 or 5 point lead, but if it’s 6 then two FGs only ties you.
This is the correct answer. Along with the team now has to convert it PAT in order to win. It’s basic football analytics that coaches have on their charts. Mike Gundy made the exact same call at the end of the OSU/OK game last year.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:44 am to gumbeaux
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What was the advantage of trying to go ahead by 6 points instead of kicking the extra point to go ahead by 5? If Bama kicks the extra point, then they win 25-24 with the field goal at the end of the game.
That was a huge mistake.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:44 am to LSUfan4444
quote:
LSU did score a missed PAT would come into play
This! The idea was, Your defense should keep us from scoring another touchdown, but if they gave it up special teams might be able to bail you out
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:44 am to gumbeaux
Up 4 you already make the other team score a TD to stay in the game. 6pt game forces LSU to make the PAT. 4 pt differentials are common in football scoring so going for 2 can be seen as stealing 2 points
Essentially there is no real advantage being up 5 instead of 4. This is a somewhat common thing to do when you are up 4
Like others have said, that decision didn’t alter the game that much, you can look at the score and say it did but it really just affected decisions after it
Essentially there is no real advantage being up 5 instead of 4. This is a somewhat common thing to do when you are up 4
Like others have said, that decision didn’t alter the game that much, you can look at the score and say it did but it really just affected decisions after it
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:45 am to gumbeaux
Statistically, you have (less than) a 50% chance of getting a 2 and over 95% of getting the xp. It is a no brainer to go for one and force lsu to go for the 2 if they score. Chances are a field goal will win it for you.
Saban has made some dumb 2 point calls over the years but he almost never pays for it because the team is too good for it to matter.
Saban has made some dumb 2 point calls over the years but he almost never pays for it because the team is too good for it to matter.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:46 am to gumbeaux
Saban knew we would march down, like a boss, and score. Saban also knew he had no way to stop our 2 point conversion play.
He was just thinking ahead.
He was just thinking ahead.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:48 am to OceanMan
quote:
Essentially there is no real advantage being up 5 instead of 4. This is a somewhat common thing to do when you are up 4
Not true at all. It forces LSU to go for 2 which is statistically hard to get. If they don’t get it a field goal win it for you.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 8:55 am to YeauxTigers
quote:
The logic is that there is no real difference late in a game (unless your defense gives up another TD) between being up by 5 or by 4, so try to go up by 6.
4+ minutes two FGs wasn’t a realistic possibility.
There most certainly is a difference between 4 and 5 though.
I don’t think Sabans chart said go for 2 there.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:02 am to gumbeaux
The 1st time he went for 2 -
Early 4th Quarter Bama scores a TD to go up 15-14. By kicking the XP you only go up 2. You go for 2 points there with the hopes you'll get it and go up by a FG. GOOD CALL. Didn't work.
We then kick a FG to go up 17-15.
The 2nd time he went for 2 - Probably a bad idea. The 6 gave them a 21-17 lead. By kicking the XP here you go up 22-17.
The last 4 minutes of the game would have been managed differently if the score had been 22-17.
We scored a TD on our next possession. That would have put us up 23-22 ... and we would have gone for 2 to put us up by 3 instead of 1 or 2.
So, Saban should have kicked the Extra Point to go up 22-17. It would have made us go for 2....
Their FG at the end of regulation might have won the game for them.
Early 4th Quarter Bama scores a TD to go up 15-14. By kicking the XP you only go up 2. You go for 2 points there with the hopes you'll get it and go up by a FG. GOOD CALL. Didn't work.
We then kick a FG to go up 17-15.
The 2nd time he went for 2 - Probably a bad idea. The 6 gave them a 21-17 lead. By kicking the XP here you go up 22-17.
The last 4 minutes of the game would have been managed differently if the score had been 22-17.
We scored a TD on our next possession. That would have put us up 23-22 ... and we would have gone for 2 to put us up by 3 instead of 1 or 2.
So, Saban should have kicked the Extra Point to go up 22-17. It would have made us go for 2....
Their FG at the end of regulation might have won the game for them.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:17 am to gumbeaux
It was the right call. The hindsight heroes all want to shite on Saban for it even though every team in college and the NFL uses the same chart.
There is no way to know what is going to happen later in the game. People need to stop hounding on this.
There is no way to know what is going to happen later in the game. People need to stop hounding on this.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 9:37 am to mdtiger1
Where on that chart is time remaining shown? It is clearly taking into account the possibility of 2 lsu field goals which is highly unlikely with 4 minutes left
Posted on 11/7/22 at 10:01 pm to lsumatt
quote:
Not true at all. It forces LSU to go for 2 which is statistically hard to get. If they don’t get it a field goal win it for you.
Yeah but the floor to win is still a TD for LSU. So the assumption is LSU scores a TD. If you are up 6, you can make it to OT by denying the PAT. Depending on when LSU scores, that may be your only shot. LSU has lost this way this season.
It’s thinking in terms of possessions in reverse. Your scenario involves bama getting the ball back. They may not get that opportunity.
Posted on 11/7/22 at 11:18 pm to coondaddy21
Exactly - charts can’t think. Terrible decision.
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