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re: Guys chill out we can still make the playoff
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:04 pm to jdd48
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:04 pm to jdd48
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2 things, just in my own opinion: - The committee is going to be reluctant to put a team in the playoff that didn't even make their own conference championship. We only make the title game if Bama loses again and we win out. - The committee is going to be reluctant to put two teams from the same conference in the playoff unless they overwhelmingly cannot ignore both teams. A really bad loss like the one we had to the other team in contention is not going to score us points.
I was starting a thread like this at almost the exact same time.
Just consider for a second-
Bama, Clemson and Notre Damn win out.
2-loss Stanford wins PAC-12
1-loss Oklahoma is highest ranked Big-12 (loss to terrible Texas and no "championship" game
2- loss Michigan wins Big 10.
There are plenty of other scenarios, but I'd say that LSU would have as strong a case as anyone.
And maybe the fact we got screwed in 2011 might HELP in an argument.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:05 pm to Choctaw
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Bama beats Clemson LSU beats OSU LSU vs. Bama for the NC. LSU wins 22-0
If were going to mess around with this scenario honestly itd most likely be us matching up with Bama in the NC by the following scenario:
1.) Clemson 13-0 Lose to LSU; in semifinal
2.) OSU 13-0; Lose to Bama in Semifinal
3.) Alabama 12-1 Win SECCG
4.) LSU 10-1 Take extra week during the "Mulligan II" to prepare for Clemson before having to play Bama in the NC again
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:05 pm to lsusa
quote:If that happens LSU goes 100% if the committee goes by their current pattern. Now, they may then say conference champions matter, that is the unknown in this whole process so far
I was starting a thread like this at almost the exact same time. Just consider for a second- Bama, Clemson and Notre Damn win out. 2-loss Stanford wins PAC-12 1-loss Oklahoma is highest ranked Big-12 (loss to terrible Texas and no "championship" game 2- loss Michigan wins Big 10. There are plenty of other scenarios, but I'd say that LSU would have as strong a case as anyone.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:06 pm to Choctaw
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Choctaw
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:12 pm to lsusa
I think a 2 loss UM gets in over LSU bc : 1. They win a Conference Championship and 2. They would have beaten 2 undefeated teams possibly ( OSU and Iowa). That would be better than LSU beating Florida who more than likely loses in SECCG to Bama and have 2 losses. Only way I see LSU making the CFP is by winning out and Bama losing either to State or AU. Otherwise it is more than likely the Sugar vs TCU/Baylor/OU/Okla St
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:13 pm to jdd48
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2 things, just in my own opinion:
- The committee is going to be reluctant to put a team in the playoff that didn't even make their own conference championship. We only make the title game if Bama loses again and we win out.
- The committee is going to be reluctant to put two teams from the same conference in the playoff unless they overwhelmingly cannot ignore both teams. A really bad loss like the one we had to the other team in contention is not going to score us points.
I agree. IMO it would have to be almost a 2007 scenario for LSU to get in without winning or even appearing in the SECCG.
1. Any and all undefeated power conf champs is/are getting in. Right now that's still in play for the Big 12, Big 10 and ACC
2. I just can't see LSU getting in ahead of a one loss conf champ
3. Notre Dame is still out there. I'm not saying they will, but if they finish with only one loss (to Clemson nonetheless), book it, they're in. Period!!
4. What if UF wins the SEC? What if they do it with 2 losses (they still have FSU to play)? I just can't see the committee keeping the SEC champ out and letting a team that didn't even win their division, in.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:14 pm to GermantownTiger
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Checkout the predicted playoff rankings. Most have us around 6... I've even seen a 5.
If we are 5-7 with 4 weeks of games left we can get to 4 regardless of bama
LSU has to win three games for this even to be a possibility. Let's explain to you how probability works....I'd say LSU has a 65% chance of winning this weekend, a 40% chance to beat Ole Miss in Oxford, and I'll even give them a 75% chance to beat Texas A&M. If you multiply all three of these together it's around 20% to run the table....and let's face it I'm being generous with those first three numbers.
These are not very good odds.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:17 pm to Alt26
Just my .02 on the pecking order....
Playoff Order:
Four of these five are IN if they happen.
Clemson (as undefeated ACC Champ)
Alabama (as 1-loss SEC Champ, Florida or LSU in as well, but likely lower seeded)
Undefeated Big Ten Champ (Ohio State or Iowa)
Undefeated Big 12 Champ (Okie State or Baylor)
1-loss Pac Ten Champ (if Stanford ) OR Notre Dame)
Now here’s where it becomes a real complicated case…You know, a lot of ins, a lot of outs, a lot of what-have yous.
1-loss Big 12 Champ (if Baylor or Oklahoma State)
1-loss non-champion LSU
1-loss Big Ten Champ (if Ohio State)
1-loss Pac-12 Champ (If Utah)
1-loss Big 12 Champ (if TCU or Oklahoma)
1-loss ACC Champ (Clemson or UNC) …team would have likely lost to South Carolina!
1-loss Big Ten Champ (Iowa, Michigan State)
2-loss Pac 12 Champ (Stanford, Utah)
2-loss Notre Dame
2-loss Big 10 Champ (Michigan)
No doubt- the committee will probably not want two teams for the same conference. Based on that and the fact that the Big 12 got left out last year, I think one-loss Baylor or Okie State with a “quality loss” would get in over 1-loss LSU…though there always could be some pro-LSU sentiment because of 2011. Ohio State could also be in the discussion based on the manner of loss – although the overall weakness of their schedule hurts them.
Assuming Bama wins out, LSU’s loss (#2 Bama) would be much better than Utah’s (18 to USC) Oklahoma’s (Texas) or TCUs (20 points to Okie State, who would obviously fall in rankings). 1-loss ACC Champs would be UNC (South Carolina) beats Clemson in title game or Clemson loses to South Carolina the week before. 1-loss Iowa as Big 10 Champ most likely is loss to Nebraska, which would also be 1-loss Michigan State’s.
Playoff Order:
Four of these five are IN if they happen.
Clemson (as undefeated ACC Champ)
Alabama (as 1-loss SEC Champ, Florida or LSU in as well, but likely lower seeded)
Undefeated Big Ten Champ (Ohio State or Iowa)
Undefeated Big 12 Champ (Okie State or Baylor)
1-loss Pac Ten Champ (if Stanford ) OR Notre Dame)
Now here’s where it becomes a real complicated case…You know, a lot of ins, a lot of outs, a lot of what-have yous.
1-loss Big 12 Champ (if Baylor or Oklahoma State)
1-loss non-champion LSU
1-loss Big Ten Champ (if Ohio State)
1-loss Pac-12 Champ (If Utah)
1-loss Big 12 Champ (if TCU or Oklahoma)
1-loss ACC Champ (Clemson or UNC) …team would have likely lost to South Carolina!
1-loss Big Ten Champ (Iowa, Michigan State)
2-loss Pac 12 Champ (Stanford, Utah)
2-loss Notre Dame
2-loss Big 10 Champ (Michigan)
No doubt- the committee will probably not want two teams for the same conference. Based on that and the fact that the Big 12 got left out last year, I think one-loss Baylor or Okie State with a “quality loss” would get in over 1-loss LSU…though there always could be some pro-LSU sentiment because of 2011. Ohio State could also be in the discussion based on the manner of loss – although the overall weakness of their schedule hurts them.
Assuming Bama wins out, LSU’s loss (#2 Bama) would be much better than Utah’s (18 to USC) Oklahoma’s (Texas) or TCUs (20 points to Okie State, who would obviously fall in rankings). 1-loss ACC Champs would be UNC (South Carolina) beats Clemson in title game or Clemson loses to South Carolina the week before. 1-loss Iowa as Big 10 Champ most likely is loss to Nebraska, which would also be 1-loss Michigan State’s.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:23 pm to jdd48
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The committee is going to be reluctant to put a team in the playoff that didn't even make their own conference championship.
quote:
The committee is going to be reluctant to put two teams from the same conference in the playoff unless they overwhelmingly cannot ignore both teams. A really bad loss like the one we had to the other team in contention is not going to score us points.
There is only one program in the nation that deserves their chance for a mulligan just like the one Bama got in 2011.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:25 pm to Choctaw
If there is a rematch.... You really think lsu wins????? I don't. But yes I still think lsu is one of the 4 best teams in the country.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:26 pm to GermantownTiger
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If we are 5-7 with 4 weeks of games left we can get to 4 regardless of bama
No. The only way is if Bama loses and we win out and win the SECCG. Then we're in the playoff.
But if Bama wins the West, we have ZERO chance of getting in. The committee isn't going to put in two SEC teams this year, and our loss to Bama was terrible.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:27 pm to dukke v
quote:I completely agree with you. Matchups exist in football, and Bama is a terrible one for us
If there is a rematch.... You really think lsu wins????? I don't. But yes I still think lsu is one of the 4 best teams in the country.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:30 pm to GermantownTiger
I would agree if we had played a close game. The committee will not forget we were stopped dead, and really were not on the same level as AL.
The only way I see us getting consideration is if we went on a tare and annihilated the rest of the competition and we need one of the top four to falter
If we continue to play close and run trick plays or back into wins- we will not see the final four
The only way I see us getting consideration is if we went on a tare and annihilated the rest of the competition and we need one of the top four to falter
If we continue to play close and run trick plays or back into wins- we will not see the final four
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:35 pm to GermantownTiger
I Agree. Even if Bama represents the west in the SEC championship game but loses to Florida that would be two losses. If we win out we may get an invite to the final four.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:50 pm to Trojans56
You think LSU would get in over Florida who would win the SEC? The team that beat the team that beat LSU by 2 TDs would be left out? The committee would not allow that to happen regardless of the fact LSU won by a TD over Florida. Only way for LSU to get into CFP is to win out and Bama lose to State or AU and LSU goes to Champ Game and beats UF again. Until the committee chooses to expand to 8 teams of you don't win your conference, you will not be selected to the CFP.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 4:57 pm to Trojans56
You have to remember that this committee is using the eye test and we failed miserably Saturday. The only way we get in is with a dominant run from here and a lot of luck. Are we one of the four best teams? Probably so. We have to LOOK like we deserve it though.
And don't discount Bama getting in over SEC champ LSU. The committee gave them a pass for losing to Ole Miss. No reason to believe they wouldn't do it again.
Time to call the Hogs and get even. Let's see if this team rolls over or comes out fighting?
And don't discount Bama getting in over SEC champ LSU. The committee gave them a pass for losing to Ole Miss. No reason to believe they wouldn't do it again.
Time to call the Hogs and get even. Let's see if this team rolls over or comes out fighting?
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 11/9/15 at 5:02 pm to lsusa
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1-loss Pac Ten Champ (if Stanford ) OR Notre Dame)
Now here’s where it becomes a real complicated case…You know, a lot of ins, a lot of outs, a lot of what-have yous.
1-loss Big 12 Champ (if Baylor or Oklahoma State)
1-loss non-champion LSU
Why would a 1 loss Notre Dame have priority over a 1 loss non SEC champ LSU or a 1 loss Big 12 champion?
Posted on 11/9/15 at 5:19 pm to Choctaw
I agree.. we win out and Tigers will make the playoffs. Ohio State loses 1 game they are out and will be a weak 1 loss team. Same goes for Baylor, Iowa (regardless if undefeated), Michigan State, Stanford and OK State. The 1 loss team that needs to lose is ND. They are the pretty boy favorites that could keep us out.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 5:20 pm to Cs
The best scenario would be for Bama to lose to one of their remaining SEC games (LSU beat both teams) and for LSU to win out and beat FLorida (again) in the SECCG.
One Loss SEC champ (LSU) is in, 2 Loss Bama is out. The lamentations and gnashing of teeth on the part of the Gumps would be too delicious to endure!
Geaux, Clanga!
One Loss SEC champ (LSU) is in, 2 Loss Bama is out. The lamentations and gnashing of teeth on the part of the Gumps would be too delicious to endure!
Geaux, Clanga!
Posted on 11/9/15 at 5:23 pm to CMDBear
Actually if Florida wins out and beats Bama and we win out with a road loss to the number 4 team in the country I don't see why we wouldn't get an invite.
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