re: Guice accused of rape while at LSU

This incident happened in the 2016 off-season. Also there’s literally zero proof O had any idea of these allegations. There’s not even an allegation that anyone told him informally, and there’s certainly no proof of any formal allegations making their way across his desk

This was Guides freshman year, according to the article which was 2015. Les wasn't fired until late Sept of 16.

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He was not the coach during either incident, and the story of him approaching the player is somewhat ridiculous

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I’m only on page 5, so forgive me if this particular has already been made. Yes, he was just the D-line coach during the incident(s). However, the story says he didn’t talk to the boyfriend football player until about a year later. At that point he was about 6 months into his tenure as HC. For the sake of discussion, let’s assume what the article suggests about O and that meeting are true. I can logically only think of 2 ways it may have gone down:

1) Orgeron heard about it and sensed some tension amongst the team, specifically in regards to the boyfriend. Oregon tries to nip it in the bud for the sake of team chemistry, so he calls in the aggrieved party(the boyfriend). In this scenario, O thinks it’s more of just a girl cheating on her boyfriend with Guice.

So he calls him in, and kinda poo poos the cheating, saying it’s no big deal, I’ve been around colleges for 40 years, and everybody gets cheated on(“everybody’s girlfriend fricks other guys in college”).Maybe even suggests he was when he was in college and tries to laugh it off with the player. Then tells him he needs to just let it go for the sake of the team.

That scenario is pretty defensible IF O thought it was consensual. The 2nd scenario is scarier:

2) Because of the success of the past 2 seasons, we sometimes forget just how actively O pursued this job. Because of his public persona, people underestimated his ambition, but he knew this was his last best chance at getting a P5 HC gig, and he was desperate to keep it. He heard all the criticism, and knew that he pretty much starting out on the hot seat. You could tell in how conservative he coached in ‘17, too afraid to frick up this miracle opportunity.

So he gets word of player dissent because not only did Guice sleep with this dude’s girlfriend, but he actually raped her. Knowing how big the ‘17 season was for his career, and how big Guice was to our offense and potential success, he downplayed it with the player and made sure to let him know not to make wave so over this for the sake of the team. So, he swept it under the rug.

I certainly hope it was closer to scenario 1 where he just thought he was dealing with cheating. Gun to my head, I’d guess it was closer to 1. However, O was pretty Machiavellian in his pursuit of the job, AND in trying to keep it. If it turns out to be closer to the 2nd scenario in which he knew of the rape, it wouldn’t shock me. Regardless this is terrible for all parties involved and makes me sick to my stomach.

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Rapes in college must be off the charts.

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They are

It’s important to note that O made the comment about Victim #1, who is the girl who never filed a formal complaint at LSU. Who actually refused to file a formal complaint when reached out to by LSU and never told a single LSU official about the incident. So I’m not sure how O was supposed to “know” about the alleged rape.

Yep, let's condemn Coach O and assume everything you read is true. C'mon Lester, THINK.

The reason scenario 2 seems far fetched to me is that it directly shits on another player. Not a regular student, one of his guys.

With all the evidence we have of Ed Orgeron and his connection with his players, that doesn’t jive with me.

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Something is up. I think right now, you have to look at what's more likely; the complete and utter failure of the ENTIRE political, law enforcement, coaching, and compliance system or another case of regret rape.

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That's not even true.

There is a middle ground of legitimate rape that the "political, law enforcement, coaching and compliance system" wasn't aware of at the time.

This is a terrible and unfortunate situation but people acting like we’re in penn st or MSU territory here are overreacting.