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re: Guice accused of rape while at LSU
Posted on 8/20/20 at 8:48 am to rob62
Posted on 8/20/20 at 8:48 am to rob62
quote:Correct, the Constitution always applies. Title IX is an extension of the Constitution because it is codified (law). It was created to "end sexual discrimination in schools". It has since expanded by case law to include sexual violence.
The Constitution ALWAYS applies. In any event, neither of these two alleged rape victims bothered to file rape charges at all. I am telling you that as soon as they admitted that they were so drunk that they didn't recall their own actions that this situation under any law or even your beloved Title IX became moot.
Who the hell believes they were raped and only approach a school via a Title IX complaint? If someone tried to murder you would you file a complaint under Title IX and wait 4 years to go public with it?
Some of you are naive.
And with amendments and executive orders, schools are required to investigate sexual discrimination, rape, assault, etc. because the burden, under Title IX, is on the school to "end" such things. Failure to investigate is failure to make an effort to "end" and the school is subject to sanction.
Also under new rules during the Obama era, or interpretation of rules, the accused does not have the same rights as in court such as being able to face his accuser, representation, or even a chance to defend himself. The school investigates, and then can issue sanctions without the accused even knowing it is going on until the end.
Now, they are not the cops. They can refer cases to the police. They can expel. They can provide the basis for a civil case. But in short they can strip you of a scholarship, expel you, and basically ruin your reputation because you have no right to privacy if found in violation.
Now let's be clear, our as LSU fans, have two real worries here and they are:
1. Title IX, whether directly from the victim or any employee of the school, did recieve some form of complaint and failed to investigate (ref. "ending discrimination"). Then the school is subject to sanctions (e.g. losing federal funding) and/or lawsuits. Not to mention a terrible PR onslought.
2. Orgeron knew about rape and/or assualt and said nothing to anyone. In a perfect world knowledge of such goes to administration (e.g. AD) who either directly takes it to the Title IX people or up his chain who eventually puts it to the Title IX people for investigation.
Whether or not it ends up in court or with the police is sort of beside the point from a strictly "fan point of view". That's who judges INDVIDUALS and dispenses justice. Title IX is how the SCHOOL will be judged. The courts will decide who's a POS and who isn't... but before that Title IX comes along and decides if our school is negligent, not because of Guice's actions but because of possible inaction.
Keep in mind Title IX has heavy penalties for not making an effort to "end discrimination". There are NO penalties for sucking up innocent people into a whirlwind (see Alleva and Duke Rape). So a school is heavily incintivised, under Title IX, to believe the accuser and sanction the accused. There's nothing to lose if you sanction the accused and take any accusations at face value.
Hence, the worst thing a school can do to itself is not investigate.
Posted on 8/20/20 at 8:49 am to lsupride87
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But I don’t think for one single second a reporter was threatened by one of the Star college football players in the nation, and chose to sit on the text, delete it, and not right a story about it
It would have been a monumental story for that reporter
So we should be prepared for Michael bonnette to respond that it’s a fake story, right?
Or can he not comment on pure speculation either? You going to put your foot in your mouth again?
Posted on 8/20/20 at 9:03 am to Lester Earl
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When I reached the SID, I read him the message and shared the phone number. He confirmed it was Guice and suggested I stay in New Orleans until he addressed the situation.
Imagine thinking an accredited national writer is lying about something like this, that could be so easily fact checked with Michael bonnette
Posted on 8/20/20 at 9:17 am to lostinbr
How far does the school have to go to investigate it?
Girl one they indicated that they reached out to the girl and she didn’t want to pursue it. How much more investigating can they do when their only witness doesn’t want to talk?They could ask Guice but everyone else would just be hearsay and rumors.
The second girl is the one that concerns me the most as far as LSU fricking up an investigation, but I would want a ton more information, which we will never get.
Girl one they indicated that they reached out to the girl and she didn’t want to pursue it. How much more investigating can they do when their only witness doesn’t want to talk?They could ask Guice but everyone else would just be hearsay and rumors.
The second girl is the one that concerns me the most as far as LSU fricking up an investigation, but I would want a ton more information, which we will never get.
Posted on 8/20/20 at 9:18 am to I20goon
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schools are required to investigate sexual discrimination, rape, assault, etc.
It seems as though the only acceptable proof of action by a university is expulsion of the accused.
Posted on 8/20/20 at 9:26 am to lsu711
In the article it says that No teachers would comment about guice. Sounds like he was a great student.
CATHOLIC HIGHHHHHH as Moscona would say
CATHOLIC HIGHHHHHH as Moscona would say
Posted on 8/20/20 at 9:29 am to Higgysmalls
Catholic did everything they could for Derrius Guice.
Posted on 8/20/20 at 9:31 am to lsu711
People on this board have said all he was was a trouble maker that could play football at Catholic.
I guess that almighty "W" wins out over good decisions
I guess that almighty "W" wins out over good decisions
This post was edited on 8/20/20 at 9:33 am
Posted on 8/20/20 at 10:00 am to Higgysmalls
Do you know what he did in high school that warranted expulsion?
Posted on 8/20/20 at 10:24 am to lsu711
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Catholic did everything they could for Derrius Guice.
Except threaten him that they would make sure he wasn’t eligible when he wanted to transfer to McKinley with Javaughn Ferguson.
Posted on 8/20/20 at 11:18 am to Cincinnati Bowtie
He wouldn’t have been eligible at McKinley. Javahn Ferguson went to SU Lab.
Posted on 8/20/20 at 11:33 am to TigerFanFromBama
This whole story is just so flimsy. Hearsay and innuendo everywhere
When was Guice "like a god" in 2016? Very convenient that a nurse reaffirmed her decision not to report
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The nurse’s response reaffirmed to the woman that, even if she made a complaint to LSU, nothing would come of it.
“He’s like a god around here,” the woman recalled the nurse, an LSU employee, saying. “It probably would get pushed under the rug.”
When was Guice "like a god" in 2016? Very convenient that a nurse reaffirmed her decision not to report
Posted on 8/20/20 at 12:51 pm to lsupride87
Wait, you think she made up the part about guice texting her "stay out of my life or else"
Posted on 8/20/20 at 1:31 pm to Mithridates6
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When was Guice "like a god" in 2016? Very convenient that a nurse reaffirmed her decision not to report
I thought the same thing when I read that. Leonard Fournette yeah, but Guice? Nah, not in 2016.
Posted on 8/20/20 at 3:07 pm to Monkeyboy
I have little doubt Guice actually did this, but I find it hard to believe that the compliance department, with as big of sticklers as they have been, would not have done everything they could to make sure LSU was insulated.
Posted on 8/20/20 at 4:34 pm to Monkeyboy
As a former sexual assault crisis counselor and someone who used to train future counselors for a rape crisis hotline:
DO NOT DO THAT
DO NOT DO THAT
How would you hold her accountable...nevermind.
DO NOT DO THAT
Tell her to call this #;
800.656.HOPE (4673)
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I have a daughter as well and if she told me she was raped first thing I'm doing is going to LSU, picking her up and taking her to the police to report it
DO NOT DO THAT
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Also, if my daughter tells me that she was raped after she was on a combination of drugs and alcohol and then voluntarily invited a guy she didn't personally know, much less a guy from the neighborhood Guice is from, over to her apartment late at night, I'm going to let her know how irresponsible her actions were.
DO NOT DO THAT
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I also believe she needs to be accountable for her own bad behavior and for putting herself in a bad situation
How would you hold her accountable...nevermind.
DO NOT DO THAT
Tell her to call this #;
800.656.HOPE (4673)
Posted on 8/20/20 at 5:03 pm to JodyPlauche
Guice always blew off Jordy and T-Bob every morning on OTB. They'd have a call scheduled and he never answered. It became a running joke.
Posted on 8/20/20 at 5:58 pm to JodyPlauche
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bottom line is that these two girls are victims regardless of their own actions.
They are victims only and because of Darrius Guice's actions...Getting drunk is not punishable by rape.
Once two people are behind closed doors and assuming no other evidence it’s impossible to know the truth, it’s just each party’s allegations and other supporting facts.
No act is punishable by rape, so that’s an asinine statement. But there are actions people take and decisions they make that expose them to a higher risk of sexual misconduct or even rape, men and women. Getting drunk, calling a guy to your home, getting hot and heavy and then drifting into some nebulous area of consent or not - totally avoidable. And when it comes to he said/she said, those factors are all finders of fact have to go on. It doesn’t mean a drunk girl inviting a guy over deserves to raped, but it makes it less believable especially if combined with other odd facts or circumstances.
And it’s such a shitty situation that even if someone in Guice’s position tried to record consent being given in some way, the accuser can still say they were drunk so consent couldn’t have been properly given. Does that mean that every intoxicated sexual act is rape??
Maybe have guys carry around a breathalyzer test too?
Posted on 8/20/20 at 7:25 pm to Fat Bastard
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He’s never going to stop. You get that right?
He has a mental illness that can only be medicated by being a contrarian on TD.com, and he doesn’t have shite else to do but argue with you.
This is so good.
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