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re: Good point by Doug Thompson on Culotta earlier...

Posted on 5/15/23 at 11:45 am to
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 5/15/23 at 11:45 am to
Maybe our roster isn't that talented. It's mostly leftovers from Pawl's era.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
87541 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 11:47 am to
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We have a 9 run lead and Little is walking guys on 4 pitches


With that big of a lead, you virtually groove the fricking thing. There’s a 3 in 4 chance it’s hit at somebody.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34878 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 11:50 am to
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There is an approach with our second and third time through the lineup that is very concerning.


What’s the approach for the second and third time through the order?

What’s the approach for the first time through the order?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87202 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 11:52 am to
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What’s the approach for the first time through the order?
Use your second best pitch most.
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What’s the approach for the second and third time through the order?
Use your best/out pitch most.
Posted by ramchallenge
Member since Nov 2009
3539 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 11:52 am to
Pitching staff has become a bunch of "head cases" because of the coaching philosophy... JJ over depends on match-ups and data, data, data instead of letting these guys pitch to their ability. The 2 Johnsons have attempted to create a staff of robots who know that the hook is coming sooner than later. Just my honest opinion.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41775 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 11:55 am to
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Maybe our roster isn't that talented. It's mostly leftovers from Pawl's era.

Collins
Skenes
Little
Hurd
Guidry
Ack
Shores
Herring
Cooper

Johnson

Miss anyone?
Posted by Datsmoneydude
Member since Jun 2021
2956 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:00 pm to
The fact these guys can’t throw a fastball for a strike is unheard of. Collins throws 95 and NEVER uses it. We start every hitter with off speed stuff and can’t land it either. Blake money is the only strike thrower in the pen
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
46353 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:01 pm to
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The 2 Johnsons have attempted to create a staff of robots who know that the hook is coming sooner than later. Just my honest opinion.


D-1 Athletes

Make an adjustment & get better
Posted by FreeState
Member since Jun 2012
3522 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:07 pm to
Throw strikes, dammit. From Little League on up that's all we heard, throw strikes, let your defense help you out.

Too often it seems we see too many trying to be Sandy Koufax when they simply are not.

Throw damn strikes!
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:11 pm to
Some of those were temp band-aids last year where JJ had to put together patchwork bullpen. Skenes is prob best ace in the country right now. Little and Hurd are whiffs but Hurd was coming off an injury and knew it probably would take him awhile to get to old form. He has shown flashes. Little just doesn't have control and never did at Vandy. That's a miss, imo.

Guidry's future is not on the mound at LSU. Ack was good before his injury. Not sure what's going on there. Ack was actually one of your more reliable relief before he got hurt. Shores looked like he was going to be big time until he got hurt. Bad luck. Herring will likely push for a starting spot at some point maybe next year.

Just going to have to wait until next season before I think anyone can fairly criticize JJ on the bullpen. He had literally nothing to work with last year and some of that carried over to this year. They tried to get better than Little in the portal but we got beat out and he's starting at Florida now. Hurd was definitely worth taking a risk on since he has 1st round ability. Nobody could've predicted the injuries that hit basically the entire top of their bullpen. Not a single person on here was bitching about that pull from the transfer portal but everyone knew it was risky due to his injury.

They snagged an amazing freshman class for pitchers to make it to LSU. Unfortunately, the majority of it is hurt. Again, bad luck. I'm sure JJ will hit the portal even harder this year since he likely won't see some of those guys next season.
This post was edited on 5/15/23 at 12:17 pm
Posted by hall59tiger
Member since Oct 2013
2975 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:31 pm to
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Just going to have to wait until next season before I think anyone can fairly criticize JJ on the bullpen.


No need to be reasonable on here. Most people just use this board as a place to vent their frustration.
Posted by Dwainwright
Member since Jun 2017
758 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:39 pm to
Virtually all of them. You can blame whoever but if you can't throw a first pitch strike with any regularity then you should not be pitching at this level. Most of our relief pitchers look like they are still in little league. I have seen absolutely no improvement from Money, Cooper, Collins, Dutton, Hellmers,Moffatt since they have been at LSU. It doesn't matter who the pitching coach is. None of these guys should be playing in the SEC. They should have all hit the portal after last season. None of them were any good last year. Even if Ben McDonald was the pitching coach the bullpen would still suck. You can't make gravy out of molasses.
Posted by Mobiletiggah
Mobile Alabama
Member since Mar 2021
3879 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:41 pm to
I think it is possible that all these guys are trying to be Skenes. Trying to strike everyone out. It’s not that they can’t throw strikes. They just throw too many balls. You gotta hive the other team a chance to het themselves out. But in the pressure cooker situations it’s hard to throw something up there that WILL get hit.
Posted by GeauxtigersMs36
The coast
Member since Jan 2018
12451 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 12:46 pm to
Throwing strikes is part of it but you can’t just groove it either. If you fall behind 3-0, fastball 3-1 fastball for a homerun. That’s a location problem. If you can’t locate your pitches, you’re going to just throw. Bad things happen. If a guy made really good pitches but the batter was guessing right on 2-1 or 1-1 then I’d say it’s on who’s calling pitches.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 1:05 pm to
I agree. I think Hurd is going to be special next season for LSU. He has the stuff he just needs consistency to regain his old form. Maybe he starts to find it near the end of this season. Wouldn't shock me to see him on the mound next season as LSU's ace. Has he shown anyone the confidence in that yet? No but if he gets there he definitely has ace stuff.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
46353 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 1:08 pm to
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Throwing strikes is part of it but you can’t just groove it either. If you fall behind 3-0, fastball 3-1 fastball for a homerun. That’s a location problem. If you can’t locate your pitches, you’re going to just throw. Bad things happen. If a guy made really good pitches but the batter was guessing right on 2-1 or 1-1 then I’d say it’s on who’s calling pitches.


20 options after Floyd & Skenes and NONE of them did the job.

Unacceptable
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9310 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 1:19 pm to
That’s the problem! I’d like to see the percentage of hits when behind compared to when ahead. I know statistically it’s going to be higher when behind but I bet ours shows that it’s way higher.

The big difference yesterday between them hitting and LSU not hitting was they weren’t swinging at bad pitches and we were absolutely taking bad swings at bad pitches. We should have had at least 5-6 more walks or waited for good pitches. These pitchers are NOT giving us anything good to swing at and we are still swinging. I mean even when they were in bad counts their pitchers were pitching on the edges, low and inside to induce ground ball, swings or pop ups. Our guys were allowing it by being too aggressive.

When they change their approach, we need to change it with them. 13-4 should have been a win for us. When they walked our two best hitters to load the bases, we have to make them pay for that. I realize that it was our catcher but you have to pinch hit him and put another catcher in IF he doesn’t get the hit. Even if you have to let Jones catch, then you do it. Putting Pearson in at that moment could have won the game and while I realize you should allow guys to come through, you just have to make them pay for doing that. Malazzo
Posted by WigSplitta22
The Bottom
Member since Apr 2014
2299 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 1:19 pm to
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Maybe our roster isn't that talented. It's mostly leftovers from Pawl's era.





Thanks for letting us know you don't follow the program
Posted by WigSplitta22
The Bottom
Member since Apr 2014
2299 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 1:25 pm to
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Even if Ben McDonald was the pitching coach the bullpen would still suck. You can't make gravy out of molasses.




That's because Ben Mcdonald isn't a pitching coach
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9833 posts
Posted on 5/15/23 at 1:53 pm to
they trying to strike everyone out and you cant do that... you cant be too fine with it... you gotta pound the zone and make them swing.
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