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From afar, there appears to be something profoundly wrong with the program since the NC.

Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:47 am
Posted by DmitriKaramazov
Member since Nov 2015
4470 posts
Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:47 am
I don't pretend to be an insider, but since the end of 2019, the coordinators have consistently been outschemed and outcoached. There have been innumerable missed assignments, errors, uninspired or predictable play calls, instances of poor technique, and episodes of general confusion and dismay.

Worse yet, some of the players seem indifferent. They loaf, they trot, they passively observe, they tackle poorly, they drop balls, they pout, they timidly yield. I sometimes get the impression that they are just going through the motions. There are certain players who are obviously working hard, but others appear to be emotionally absent.

Perhaps most alarming, it is clear that Orgeron has failed in his sole real function: consistent recruiting. We are rich with talent at some positions, but lacking at other key spots. OL continues to be a disappointment.

Alabama is already a juggernaut. Other SEC programs are building consistent, professional, disciplined juggernauts. It appears that LSU is regressing, shambling and disorganized and without a plan. As constituted, how can this program contend for dominance in the SEC on an annual basis? It's hard to muster enthusiasm for watching this team when they don't appear capable of consistently competing at the highest levels. I'll continue to support them, but without much real hope or interest. Maybe time will prove me wrong. I certainly hope so.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71426 posts
Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:48 am to
O's record outside of the NC year is pretty awful. He caught lightening in a bottle and stayed the hell out of the way for one year.
Posted by TigerinSC
SOUTH CAROLINA
Member since Aug 2010
1746 posts
Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:49 am to
Joe Burrow
Joe Brady
Dave Aranda
Chase
Clyde
Jefferson
Moss

All gone. That’s the difference.
Posted by Off McVoy
Member since Feb 2006
3990 posts
Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:49 am to
Captain Obvious
Posted by Burt Reynolds
Monterey, CA
Member since Jul 2008
22443 posts
Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:50 am to
It’s all the BLM NIL CRT crap they keep jamming down our throats!!
Posted by Tigerpride18
Lakewood Colorado
Member since Sep 2017
29486 posts
Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:53 am to
Nobody has said shite to me about crt .
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158763 posts
Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:53 am to
It’s not hard to figure out the issue, the CEO model doesn’t work when the CEO is a fricking idiot.

If he didn’t fall arse backwards into Burrow he’d be back at USC coaching the DL
Posted by Tigerpride18
Lakewood Colorado
Member since Sep 2017
29486 posts
Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:53 am to
Recruiting has been good actually, not sure how that doesn’t take a dip soon though
Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
Member since Jun 2004
143616 posts
Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:54 am to
quote:

the CEO model doesn’t work when the CEO is a fricking idiot.


Yeah, pretty much.
Posted by MikeEhrmantraut
Anchorage, Alaska
Member since Nov 2020
856 posts
Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:57 am to
LSU needs to hire a coach that has sustained success year in and year out. I’m not even talking about Saban level because he’s a once in a generation top tier coach. 2019 was who we thought Orgeron was…a good recruiter who relies on top notch coordinators for game prep and management. Without that formula, you get what we saw last night.
This post was edited on 9/5/21 at 10:59 am
Posted by jonboy
Member since Sep 2003
7138 posts
Posted on 9/5/21 at 10:58 am to
quote:

It’s not hard to figure out the issue, the CEO model doesn’t work when the CEO is a fricking idiot.


This. O needs masterminds around him to succeed because he is definitely not one.
Posted by siliconvalleytiger
Bay Area, CA
Member since Apr 2004
31158 posts
Posted on 9/5/21 at 11:01 am to
Orgeron relies on his assistants to do the job but when he hires the wrong ones, it all falls apart. Aranda, Brady and Ensminger were elite compared to what we have now. That’s the difference.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422585 posts
Posted on 9/5/21 at 11:01 am to
quote:

From afar, there appears to be something profoundly wrong with the program since the NC.

it became O's program without Aranda and Burrow

it's literally that simple. O is a terrible HC
Posted by JawjaTigah
Bizarro World
Member since Sep 2003
22501 posts
Posted on 9/5/21 at 11:02 am to
quote:


LSU needs to hire a coach that has sustained success year in and year out. I’m not even talking about Saban level because he’s a once in a generation top tier coach.
When Saban was hired, he was just another young coaching face, not a top tier. Don’t forget. Also don’t forget Dinardo’s LSU beat Saban’s Michigan State in the Independence Bowl.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
27609 posts
Posted on 9/5/21 at 11:03 am to
Right. When you rely so heavily on your coordinators you can't hire people with the experience of Jake Peevy and whoever our DC is.

You hire Bill O'Brian and Freeman. Freeman is at ND because they offered him a HCIW clause in his contract. Orgeron would never allow that to be offered here.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67111 posts
Posted on 9/5/21 at 11:03 am to
Lines are soft and get pushed around.

Linebackers and safeties are constantly confused leading to them being consistently out of position, missing assignments, and wiffing on tackles.

I see zero urgency in the offense. They constantly wait to snap the ball until the playclock is near zero, even when behind late in the game. Tempo offense could have gone a long way towards blunting UCLA's blitzing.
Posted by TigerVespamon
Member since Dec 2010
6095 posts
Posted on 9/5/21 at 11:08 am to
quote:

He caught lightening in a bottle and stayed the hell out of the way for one year.
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76340 posts
Posted on 9/5/21 at 11:11 am to
quote:

As constituted, how can this program contend for dominance in the SEC on an annual basis?


Ha
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
60374 posts
Posted on 9/5/21 at 11:14 am to
quote:

Orgeron relies on his assistants to do the job but when he hires the wrong ones, it all falls apart. Aranda, Brady and Ensminger were elite compared to what we have now. That’s the difference.


The difference between LSU and Bama is really quite simple. Did Brady take the playbook with him? I ask because Bama gets a new OC every year, shoot sometimes even before the year ends. Saban refuses to change though. The new OC learns their playbook. "Why would 60 people learn an entirely new system when we already know the system? One guy has to learn what we do, not the other way around."

LSU had the best offense ever 2 years ago. It should’ve never changed regardless of who the OC is at the moment.
Posted by BornAndRaised_LA
Springfield, VA
Member since Oct 2018
5228 posts
Posted on 9/5/21 at 11:21 am to
quote:

It’s all the BLM NIL CRT crap they keep jamming down our throats!!


Take your obsessions to the poli board. We aren’t 5-6 since Burrow because of any of that. We are 5-6 because a group of transcendent players were led by two world-beater coordinators and they covered up significant flaws. When they all left…what remained—Coach O included—were powerless to replicate the success because they weren’t part of the X’s and O’s that created it.
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