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re: For those who are older, was there a CWS LSU won with less talent than 2025 LSU?
Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:10 am to lsupride87
Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:10 am to lsupride87
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The 1997 team had the least amount of MLB talent
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Yeh but that really doesn’t matter for college baseball back then and still really doesn’t matter periodically
But the title of this thread is...
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was there a CWS LSU won with less talent than 2025 LSU?
The 1997 squad was the least talented out of all the national title teams. Proof is in how many made it to MLB.
How does it compare to the 2025 team? Time will tell.
This post was edited on 5/9/25 at 9:11 am
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Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:14 am to Choupique19
I interpret it based on college performance talent
If not you would have to say Cade Beloso is a low talent guy even though he did this in college 2023
But he went completely undrafted
If not you would have to say Cade Beloso is a low talent guy even though he did this in college 2023
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Played in 58 games (49 starts), batting .324 (60-for-185) with five doubles, one triple, 16 homers, 49 RBI and 43 runs
But he went completely undrafted
Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:15 am to Choupique19
Want to talk about talent?
How about the 1991 startng rotation that had all 3 have productive MLB careers (Ogea, Byrd, Sirotka) and the closer (Greene) got a cup of coffee in the Bigs. Add in Lyle Mouton had a solid MLB career and that first national title team was pretty stacked.
How about the 1991 startng rotation that had all 3 have productive MLB careers (Ogea, Byrd, Sirotka) and the closer (Greene) got a cup of coffee in the Bigs. Add in Lyle Mouton had a solid MLB career and that first national title team was pretty stacked.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:18 am to Choupique19
So is Blake dean not talented? He is one of the best hitters we ever had but I guess he falls in the not talented bucket?
It’s just hard to do this with college baseball because mlb doesn’t care all that much about actual performance at times
Everything you are saying is absolutely correct. I just think “talent” here should be used based on the actual college production
It’s just hard to do this with college baseball because mlb doesn’t care all that much about actual performance at times
Everything you are saying is absolutely correct. I just think “talent” here should be used based on the actual college production
This post was edited on 5/9/25 at 9:21 am
Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:23 am to Saunson69
No. There were some we lost with more talent. This team has some good players but not the Wow players they need
Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:24 am to graychef
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I felt the 1998 LSU team was better than USC and Arizona State.
Heard Skip say that team was one of his best teams. He said in same conversation the best team doesn’t always beat the team playing the best.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:24 am to lsupride87
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Cade Beloso
Had a great season. A classic Louisiana Baw who gave his all for LSU and was a great Tiger. Put him in a category with guys like Trey McClure and Blair Barbier. Local kids who had great careers at LSU. But none of those guys were as talented as others who would go on to have successful professional baseball careers. So their overall "talent" wasn't at the same level as the very elite guys.
The 1997 team was in the CWS with players like Troy Glaus and Lance Berkman. None of the LSU players were as talented as those guys. But we had Skip, we had history, and those teams simply had a belief that they were the best and no one was going to beat them.
This thread is about "talent", not best teams.
This post was edited on 5/9/25 at 9:26 am
Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:25 am to Choupique19
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Want to talk about talent?
How about the 1991 startng rotation that had all 3 have productive MLB careers (Ogea, Byrd, Sirotka) and the closer (Greene) got a cup of coffee in the Bigs. Add in Lyle Mouton had a solid MLB career and that first national title team was pretty stacked.
Not a title winning team but I believe the 1989 team had 6 different pitchers that made it to MLB.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:26 am to TigerCub
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Not a title winning team but I believe the 1989 team had 6 different pitchers that made it to MLB.
Yep, LSU having to go through the wringer at A&M the week before and Ben McDonald's blister the week in Omaha didn't help.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:29 am to Choupique19
quote:But doesn’t it take talent to be a better college player than someone else?
This thread is about "talent", not best teams.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:32 am to graychef
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I felt the 1998 LSU team was better than USC and Arizona State.
I am still pissed at the home plate umpire for calling strikes 12” off the plate in the left handed batters box against USC in 1998. That cost us the game.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:33 am to JPLSU1981
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Ace pitcher: Ranaudo
Ace #2 Coleman
Matty Ott to close the door on games
I found it a strange thing mystifying that all three of these struggled mightily the following year.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:39 am to Choupique19
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This thread is about "talent", not best teams.
Case in point....the 2001 team (7 MLB guys) that lost to Tulane in the Supers was far more talented on paper than the 97 team that won the CWS. Baseball be like that.
This post was edited on 5/9/25 at 9:41 am
Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:41 am to tarzana
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I found it a strange thing mystifying that all three of these struggled mightily the following year.
2009 was Coleman's last year. He was in professional ball the next season.
And I think Coleman was Ace #1 of that staff. Ranaudo pitched the first game of each series, but Mainieri wanted Coleman to close on Friday if needed and then start on Sunday.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:51 am to JPLSU1981
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Not necessarily an answer to your question…. but 2009 was my personal favorite lineup that we ever had. I loved that lineup
If 2017 had finished the job, that was a pretty nice lineup as well. Then you had Lange and Poche as 1 and 2 and Zach Hess to close it out that year was a stud.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 10:39 am to Datsmoneydude
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The 2000 team was loaded. Literally like 5 big leaguers on that team. Brad Hawpe still arguably the best 1st baseman we’ve ever had in my opinion
Yes it was loaded talent. IIRC that team didn’t really play up to their potential until SECT. USCe had a historic team and won the SEC (LSU won the series vs them) but lost in Supers to ULL. Even going into the CWS, Stanford and I want to say either Clemson or Texas were considered the favorites.
This post was edited on 5/9/25 at 10:40 am
Posted on 5/9/25 at 10:43 am to Saunson69
Compared to the teams in the 90s and 2000, this team has much if not more talent. The problem for the current team, is that so many other teams, especially in the SEC, have caught up to the talent level that LSU has. The great coaches, the stadiums, NIL, Portal, the TV exposure, etc., etc. make it really difficult for any team to win Nattys on a consistent basis.
Posted on 5/9/25 at 10:48 am to Gnash
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Even going into the CWS, Stanford and I want to say either Clemson or Texas were considered the favorites.
I don't know who Vegas had as favorites, but LSU was the highest seed in the CWS and handled Texas (and first round pitcher Beau Hale) easily.
That was the year ULL won a couple games in Omaha as well. ULL knocked out USCe, who was the overall #1 seed. RIP Tony.
This post was edited on 5/9/25 at 10:49 am
Posted on 5/9/25 at 11:52 am to SofaKingTrill
Hanover started 50+ games at third his freshman year in 2009. Helenihi was the primary starter for the postseason however
Posted on 5/9/25 at 11:53 am to Clearlake
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I don't see a Dylan Crews, Tommy White, Brayden Jobert, Gavin Dugas, or a Tre Morgan on this current team!
Even as a true freshman, you could argue that Curiel is only behind Crews in that group. This team does seem to lack the upper class leadership of that group though.
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