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re: Feldman: Coach O rewarded with new contract of 6 yrs, $42M
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:20 am to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:20 am to Tiger Voodoo
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When can we expect our next championship Sal?
This is the same method of arguing that made you look like one of the most foolish posters of 2019
Everything is future hypotheticals ,,, when will this happen, what if this doesn’t happen. You don’t realize how ridiculous & utterly clueless you sound
You said all this shite leading up to this year & even Into this year, doubling down at all costs until he ran the slate with the most successful season in college football history. Like wut
Still can’t get over you calling joe Brady the next billy Gonzales. People, this is the kind of Mouth breather you are dealing with
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Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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$7M per? ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
we don't want to be Auburn in 2023 with a $28M buyout
And now we lost costly coaches, or coaches that would have been expensive to keep, and raised O's salary and guaranteed.
I'm not sure this works long term.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:20 am to The Pirate King
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The negative O haters have scurried out of hiding after being in stasis for 6 months while we ran roughshod over the entire country.
, these are valid concerns despite your attempts to ignore them. Orgeron's success here has coincided with one player and two coaches who are gone. It is absolutely reasonable to be cautiously optimistic. 
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:20 am to Salmon
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in the playoffs
Well at least you bring some weight to your position. I applaud that
Ftr, I’m also happy to state my thoughts clearly. I don’t believe O gets us back to the playoffs.
I believe this was a magical case of Burrow falling to us with few other options, and him being the leader he is, rallying this team full of castoffs (including O) to pull off the greatest season of all time.
It was incredible.
I don’t see another player like Burrow coming along anytime soon and don’t see how anyone could argue with that.
This reminds me of Cam and Gene or even the FSU 13 team that many others have said was a lightning in a bottle situation more than a program defining statement going forward.
I’ve been called a hater relentlessly, so I have no problem restating the reasons why I continue to have doubts that O is the long term answer for this program while I do give him all credit and respect for what he did this year.
I admittedly never thought we’d win one, so I was clearly wrong. That doesn’t mean my concerns going forward are automatically unfounded, although we all know they will be treated as such by the “blind faithful” that label me a “blind hater”.
And round and round we go.
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don't expect it next year simply because I believe Brennan will have too many costly turnovers. I expect Brennan to have like 35 TDs, but also like 13 INTs.
I think this would lead to the worst results possible.
Trying to replicate what we just saw will likely lead to more losses than a more conservative approach, clutch those pearls Miles bashers, by leaning on the run game and playing stingy D.
I think we could get to 10-2 with a more traditional LSU approach, but trying to turn Brennan into Burrow could lead us to a 7-5 type season.
But O has sold this new offense as the new LSU, so not sure how he goes back to what the last guy was so hated for, although his followers likely wouldn’t call him out on on a heel turn anyway.
This post was edited on 1/24/20 at 9:35 am
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:21 am to nitwit
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he has little marketability outside of LSU. He should be compensated as a top 15-20 coach, but not an elite HC,
Outside marketability is thru the roof right now. I bet USC would have given him more. Saban, Jimbo, Malzhan Harbaugh, Smart all are making as much. 2 of them have not won a championship and I bet 2 others will not win another. 
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:21 am to slackster
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His success to this point is tied with the greatest QB in LSU history having the greatest season in CFB history.
There are plenty of reasons to be concerned it may have been just lightning in a bottle. To act otherwise is disingenuous.
Sure. I have no issues with people being concerned.
But to say that you shouldn't reward someone because other coaches failed isn't anyway to run a program. Or any business for that matter.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:21 am to slackster
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You should be paid for what you are expected to do, not necessarily what you already did.
Contracts are two sided. I know you aren’t this stupid. Life doesn’t work this way & sports especially do not work this way
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:22 am to slackster
His 6 million/year base is more than reasonable for a coach that just won the National championship.
But please continue to doubt O, and he will continue to make y’all look stupid.
But please continue to doubt O, and he will continue to make y’all look stupid.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:24 am to That LSU Guy
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Top 25 college football coaching salaries for 2018:
there are 100 more FBS coaches dimwit
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:24 am to Geauxgurt
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One year should never be given this much credence.
We have won 4 national titles in over 100 years. These obviously do not come around often. fricking pay the man. Jesus christ some of you just love to bitch about literally anything. Get some fricking perspective on the situation. The guy brought us back to the top. He deserves a reward for that.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:24 am to Salmon
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But to say that you shouldn't reward someone because other coaches failed isn't anyway to run a program. Or any business for that matter.
It's a tale of caution - nothing more, nothing less.
Like I said, I'm not upset about it because there is no reason to be right now. I think it's more than "market rate", but I've been plenty wrong before about Orgeron.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:25 am to slackster
We are seeing this year all the reasons why a “pay your HC a modest salary and throw a ton of money at top coordinators” strategy can’t work long term.
If the strategy works in the short term, you’ll have coordinators leave for better jobs and you’ll end up paying your HC more money (as should be expected).
If the strategy works in the short term, you’ll have coordinators leave for better jobs and you’ll end up paying your HC more money (as should be expected).
This post was edited on 1/24/20 at 9:28 am
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:27 am to slackster
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It's a tale of caution - nothing more, nothing less.
Sure.
But again, it just isn't anyway to run a business. You reward success, despite if you have been burned in the past.
You won't continue to attract top talent otherwise.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:28 am to Tiger Voodoo
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and just the for record, this raise doesn't put O in the Saban/Dabo range either
Glad to know it’s already being made clear O isn’t being held to that same standard
Clown
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:28 am to WhoGeaux
Can now buy that new shrimp boat.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:29 am to UpToPar
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all the reasons why a “pay your HC a modest salary and throw a ton of money at top coordinators” strategy can’t work long term.
But does it have to? If those coaches take a team from averaging 9 wins a year to competing for championships and winning a few of them, revenue follows that success. Everybody eats. I don’t think this is a zero-sum game.
Building and maintaining a culture of excellence attracts more revenue and more talent.
This post was edited on 1/24/20 at 9:32 am
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:29 am to WhoGeaux
Much deserved.
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:29 am to Lester Earl
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Contracts are two sided. I know you aren’t this stupid. Life doesn’t work this way & sports especially do not work this way
, of course they are. You weigh some version of replacement cost, future expectations, and past results. Those last two are different, but many people want to group them together. If you don't view the past results in the proper context, you can easily have misguided expectations. I say all this in general, not necessarily about O. My response was directed at the guy who boils it down to "O was underpaid and brought us a championship, ergo, he can't possibly be overpaid now."
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:31 am to WhoGeaux
The people who are over reacting to that 7m/year figure are probably not considering:
1) the idea of market value
2) don’t know how high the current market value is for top coaches and how fast it’s increased over the last few years
3) not considering the significant influx of $$$$$$$ coming to SEC programs in the very near future
This post was edited on 1/24/20 at 9:32 am
Posted on 1/24/20 at 9:31 am to slackster
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I think it's more than "market rate", but I've been plenty wrong before about Orgeron.
I think it is market rate but you also have take in consideration the revenue a school takes in as well. Nick Saban has a high market rate but Vanderbilt would not pay him what he is worth. Not enough tickets to sell along with fan support. So market rate and school revenue is also factored in these decisions as well.
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