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re: F. KIng Alexander Speaks on Miles Decision
Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:27 pm to LSUGoose
Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:27 pm to LSUGoose
Same guy cries wolf every single year about LSU facing HUGE budget cuts, reducing facilities, firing teachers, and raising tuition ALL BEFORE THE MOTHER frickING BUDGET GETS PASSED!!!!
Funny thing is there actually haven't been any budget cuts to LSU. What he is bitching about is extra money on top of the current budget that they planned on getting, but haven't gotten yet. When they are forced to stick with the same budget as last year, he calls that a budget cut.
Say you decide your budget for next year will be $20. So you tell the people who pay you that you want $20. Problem is that you only get paid $18 this year. Once the company gets in trouble monetarily, they can only afford to continue paying you $18, and that's seen as a budget cut. That's how government works. Budget cuts aren't actually budget cuts. They are reductions in raising your future budget.
Funny thing is there actually haven't been any budget cuts to LSU. What he is bitching about is extra money on top of the current budget that they planned on getting, but haven't gotten yet. When they are forced to stick with the same budget as last year, he calls that a budget cut.
Say you decide your budget for next year will be $20. So you tell the people who pay you that you want $20. Problem is that you only get paid $18 this year. Once the company gets in trouble monetarily, they can only afford to continue paying you $18, and that's seen as a budget cut. That's how government works. Budget cuts aren't actually budget cuts. They are reductions in raising your future budget.
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Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:28 pm to Chicken
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what exactly is the goal of higher education? And why does higher education need a bloated budget to meet that objective?
Well, let's just eliminate all state funding then.
Then F. King won't have to go hat in hand to the legislature anymore and they can just jack up tuition.
Also, LSU's budget is far from bloated relative to other flagship universities in America.
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LSU, however, is already near the bottom among flagships around the country when it comes to spending per student.
"Of the 50 flagship universities in the country, we ranked 46th on what we spend per student," Alexander said. "Even before this cut hits, we're already near the bottom of all our peers in spending per student (and) that's the beginning."
LSU spends $12,818 per student, only above flagships in Arkansas, Georgia, Montana and Nebraska.
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This isn't new. This played out in the 80s and 90s as well. Higher education has always been on the chopping block.
It just suddenly got a lot worse the last few years because of the policies of Jindal.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:30 pm to BilJ
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Agreed on Jindal.
Sold LSU and the state out to maintain a platform piece for his future campaign.
Amen.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:36 pm to BrerTiger
Nah, just remove/reduce spending in enough areas to balance the budget.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:37 pm to pt448
Wish I knew.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:39 pm to Chicken
Right.
Nothing to see here!
Just cutting fat for Gov. Jindal!
Nothing to see here!
Just cutting fat for Gov. Jindal!
Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:40 pm to Hammertime
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They are reductions in raising your future budget
You're way off on this, FYI.
LSU has to submit a budget to the state based on scenarios. The state then comes back with the allocation for that FY. What LSU has been doing to avoid "cuts" is increase tuition.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:44 pm to Hammertime
You have no clue what you're talking about...
Cynicism is not reasoned argument.
Cynicism is not reasoned argument.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:45 pm to Chicken
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Nah, just remove/reduce spending in enough areas to balance the budget.
I understand what you're saying but I don't think you're grasping how big of cuts in state funding LSU has been dealing with for the last several years.
A 54.3% cut over 6 years is huge. The state is providing about $4500 less per student than they were in 2008.
At that rate, state funding will be zero in other 6 years.
That's not a "bloated budget" and government spending out of control. That's Jindal playing starve the beast with higher education.
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State Funds Per Student FTE decreased on the campuses ranging from 38.2% to 56.4%
LSU Shreveport – 54.7% - $5,564 (08-09) to $2,464 (existing 14-15)
LSU A&M - 54.3% - $8,251 (08-09) to $3,699 (existing 14-15)
LSU Law Center – 51.3% - $12,920 (08-09) to $6,209 (existing 14-15)
LSU Alexandria – 56.4% - $6,513 (08-09) to $2,761 (existing 14-15)
LSU HSC NO – 48.9% - $51,578 (08-09) to $26,034 (existing 14-15)
LSU HSC S – 45.5% - $81,077 (08-09) to $43,099 (existing 14-15)
LSU Eunice – 38.2% - $4,152 (08-09) to $2,507 (existing 14-15)
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I've been a registered Republican most of my adult life. Voted for Foster as a college student.
But I love LSU way more than any political party.
What Jindal has done to LSU and the rest of higher education in Louisiana is a goddamn disgrace.
It concerns me far more than whether or not Les Miles gets to coach another year or not.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:47 pm to LSUGoose
How many "board members" agreed with him to justify his decision? 2 ? The perception is his salary is too big, considering every dollar is tight. Give some back. "we certainly do not need to be throwing.....dollars under certain circumstances"
Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:51 pm to Hammertime
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Funny thing is there actually haven't been any budget cuts to LSU
Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:52 pm to BrerTiger
It should not take 13k a student to educate. That is the crisis. Bloated socialist utopia to spend 50k on getting thousands useless liberal art degrees and discussing micro aggressions.
It is the same argument as with all entitlements. Bloated, yet try to do anything and the world ends
It is the same argument as with all entitlements. Bloated, yet try to do anything and the world ends
Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:53 pm to Chicken
Interesting article that came out just this afternoon about the incoming governor's views on higher ed:
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LSU President F. King Alexander and Louisiana Higher Education Commissioner Joseph Rallo said they were heartened by the face-to-face meetings they had with Gov.-elect John Bel Edwards this week.
"I am very encouraged. I think we all are," Alexander said in an interview Thursday afternoon (Dec. 3) after a meeting with Edwards earlier in the day. Rallo, who got together with the governor-elect Tuesday, made similar comments.
Edwards has said boosting state support for higher education will be a priority once he takes office Jan. 11. During Gov. Bobby Jindal's administration, Louisiana cut funding for its public colleges and universities more than almost any other state.
"After eight years in the Legislature watching what we were doing to higher education every year, that was the single biggest reason that I decided to run for governor," Edwards said in a speech Wednesday before the Council for A Better Louisiana.
Higher education's budget constraints even entered into discussion around whether to keep LSU football coach Les Miles, according to a report in the Greater Baton Rouge Business Report.
Alexander told the newspaper that he might have had a tougher time convincing the Legislature to preserve -- let alone increase -- state higher education funding if tens of millions of dollars had been spent buying out Miles' contract. Though public funding would not have been used to pay for Miles' contract, the optics on the situation might have caused problems during next year's budget discussions.
Out of 16 Southern states, Louisiana allocated the lowest amount of state general funding per full-time student during 2013-2014 school year. Edwards has said he wants to get Louisiana to a 50-50 higher education funding split between state support and tuition and fees paid by students by the end of his first four-year term, an aggressive goal.
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Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:53 pm to BrerTiger
Your upset because people could not understand where the money for Les was coming, but you have no idea how the State constitution allocates the budget and dedicates the large majority leaving almost exclusively Higher Ed and Health and Hospitals. I am disappointed in how Jindal's terms played out, but you can't blame him for how the budget is allocated. That was the voters of LA, the same that voted for Jindal/Edwards, and the current legislature. The same ones the elect Alario every time when he shouldn't be allowed to be dog catcher, the same that voted for the Landrieus, etc. The same people that voted for the Leges that couldn't pull the trigger on dying 4-year colleges like SUNO and Grambling.
Alexander played a narrative that LSU is on the verge of bankruptcy when it isn't remotely true. I am disappointed Jindal didn't have a Constitutional Convention and I am disappointed that he allowed populist Dems who converted to Republican continue to spend like drunken sailors on Katrina money and high oil. That being said, he did not create the budget constraints we are dealing with. He just didn't take the lead to do something about it. Every time he did, everyone cried foul, the same people who would bitch about a new Coaches salary and Miles' buyout. From what I have been reading here, most people have no idea how La's government works.
Alexander played a narrative that LSU is on the verge of bankruptcy when it isn't remotely true. I am disappointed Jindal didn't have a Constitutional Convention and I am disappointed that he allowed populist Dems who converted to Republican continue to spend like drunken sailors on Katrina money and high oil. That being said, he did not create the budget constraints we are dealing with. He just didn't take the lead to do something about it. Every time he did, everyone cried foul, the same people who would bitch about a new Coaches salary and Miles' buyout. From what I have been reading here, most people have no idea how La's government works.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:53 pm to LSUGoose
All of you are right, clearly LSU should be putting football before everything else on campus.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:54 pm to Hammertime
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Funny thing is there actually haven't been any budget cuts to LSU.
Even funnier thing is that you actually believe that.
Please tell me you're voting for Donald Trump.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:55 pm to igoringa
I don't know enough detail, but it is my perception that most universities have multiple useless degrees. I suspect that exists to attract more students and justify higher budgets. More students, more professors, GA's, admin, buildings, etc, all of which require.....more money.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:56 pm to BrerTiger
The problems started well before Jindal with our state constitution, but he's still a spineless pussy. That guy has left me jaded as hell when it comes to politicians
Posted on 12/3/15 at 6:58 pm to tiger94gop
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Your upset because people could not understand where the money for Les was coming
I don't think you understand how optics and politics works.
It's about perception.
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I am disappointed in how Jindal's terms played out, but you can't blame him for how the budget is allocated
I can blame him for starving the state of revenue, which led directly to the crisis at hand.
It was an easily predictably consequence of his actions as governor.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 7:06 pm to Golfer
Look at what they're spending:
2012: $843,535,405
2013: $855,321,440
2014: $887,881,002
1yr full-time undergraduate tuition:
2012: $6,989 $158,507,179
2013: $7,873 $179,591,003
2014: $8,750 $202,956,250
Money coming in goes up, spending goes up. There aren't any actual overall cuts to the budget at LSU. They get less money from the state, they double the amount coming in from students.
Where are the cuts in those numbers? Not searching for the actual budget on my phone, but if there were cuts, why are they spending more? Those numbers damage your argument pretty bad
2012: $843,535,405
2013: $855,321,440
2014: $887,881,002
1yr full-time undergraduate tuition:
2012: $6,989 $158,507,179
2013: $7,873 $179,591,003
2014: $8,750 $202,956,250
Money coming in goes up, spending goes up. There aren't any actual overall cuts to the budget at LSU. They get less money from the state, they double the amount coming in from students.
Where are the cuts in those numbers? Not searching for the actual budget on my phone, but if there were cuts, why are they spending more? Those numbers damage your argument pretty bad
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