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re: ESPN - Shady's Bar employees: "Victims threw first punch"
Posted on 8/25/11 at 10:59 pm to redstick13
Posted on 8/25/11 at 10:59 pm to redstick13
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Good god you're dense as a dirt clump.
Gumps usually are.
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Posted on 8/25/11 at 11:00 pm to junkfunky
LOL you guys are really rallying tonight. Can't wait to see how you guys act when the rest of the police investigation progress gets released tomorrow.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 11:00 pm to dreaux
I found a link but it only had two pages of statements and didn't see players statements.
No big surprises on the report. It's a he said she said report. U
No big surprises on the report. It's a he said she said report. U
Posted on 8/25/11 at 11:00 pm to Golfer
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What did he say, I refuse to watch WAFB and haven't kept up with everything?
He sensationalized everything on Friday by emphasizing the marine thing. He basically wrote his news report off the rant thread and went on the air with it.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 11:01 pm to memphisplaya
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I just want an official Apology from Doucet.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 11:01 pm to ProjectP2294
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He sensationalized everything on Friday by emphasizing the marine thing. He basically wrote his news report off the rant thread and went on the air with it.
Which is why we have 34907 marines and their family members trashing JJ's fan page?
Posted on 8/25/11 at 11:01 pm to Elcid96
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I mean the whole truth. ....lets say it is ugly...such as ...I started the fight..etc...but I didn't deserve to get kicked in the head.
He's done then. I don't see how anyone can say he was unconscious from that kick and his actions afterwords.
Concussion maybe, unconscious no.
And you have a big uphill battle trying to prove that and most likely you can't.
Moreover, he started this mess by throwing a punch on someone that was protecting a girl from his stalking arse.
He is done. I don't a rats arse WTF he said at the station.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 11:01 pm to JPLSU1981
Just because the "victims" are now being reported as "throwing the first punch," doesn't mean players won't be charged. If someone is getting kicked while on the ground...that's a battery. The force is excessive, regardless of whether the guy on the ground hit first.
Bottom line, though: Too many conflicting stories. Unsympathetic victims. Multiple, mutual batteries (Fifth Amendment issues). And the burden of proof at trial is beyond a reasonable doubt...that means every element of the offense. I don't practice law in Louisiana, but I'm sure there exists a disorderly conduct statute that probably uses language like "brawling or fighting." The DA can charge anyone he is certain was involved in the fight...players and victims, alike. Offer all Defendants to plead as charged (with the opportunity to amend the charges to battery--felony or otherwise--in the DA's back pocket if anyone wants to fight it). Let everybody fight out the restitution, medical, dental, and other bills in a civil setting. Call it a day.
It's too public to not file something. Disorderly (or whatever Louisiana calls their disorderly statute) sounds like a weak charge to the public considering the allegations against the players, but if he plays up the fact that disordely conduct covers this kind of activity (blame the legislature for passing such weak laws regarding bar fighting), and that there wasn't sufficient evidence to go forward with more severe charges, maybe it will be acceptable to reasonable minds. Fact of it is...there are a lot of places in Louisiana and across this country where nothing would have been filed because the DA can't expect to go to a jury and receive a guilty verdict for battery with the current facts.
Bottom line, though: Too many conflicting stories. Unsympathetic victims. Multiple, mutual batteries (Fifth Amendment issues). And the burden of proof at trial is beyond a reasonable doubt...that means every element of the offense. I don't practice law in Louisiana, but I'm sure there exists a disorderly conduct statute that probably uses language like "brawling or fighting." The DA can charge anyone he is certain was involved in the fight...players and victims, alike. Offer all Defendants to plead as charged (with the opportunity to amend the charges to battery--felony or otherwise--in the DA's back pocket if anyone wants to fight it). Let everybody fight out the restitution, medical, dental, and other bills in a civil setting. Call it a day.
It's too public to not file something. Disorderly (or whatever Louisiana calls their disorderly statute) sounds like a weak charge to the public considering the allegations against the players, but if he plays up the fact that disordely conduct covers this kind of activity (blame the legislature for passing such weak laws regarding bar fighting), and that there wasn't sufficient evidence to go forward with more severe charges, maybe it will be acceptable to reasonable minds. Fact of it is...there are a lot of places in Louisiana and across this country where nothing would have been filed because the DA can't expect to go to a jury and receive a guilty verdict for battery with the current facts.
This post was edited on 8/25/11 at 11:07 pm
Posted on 8/25/11 at 11:01 pm to EricB
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LOL you guys are really rallying tonight. Can't wait to see how you guys act when the rest of the police investigation progress gets released tomorrow.
If the progress report doesn't include interviews with bar employees, it's fricking worthless. Not unlike you.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 11:02 pm to Elcid96
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in tack
For the love of all that is sacred, the word is INTACT.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 11:02 pm to EricB
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LOL you guys are really rallying tonight. Can't wait to see how you guys act when the rest of the police investigation progress gets released tomorrow.
You got your spin running full throttle tonight.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 11:02 pm to EricB
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police investigation progress
You mean the one where they haven't even interviewed the BAR EMPLOYEES that were direct witnesses to the altercation?
Posted on 8/25/11 at 11:02 pm to Golfer
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Which is why we have 34907 marines and their family members trashing JJ's fan page?
Not the sole reason, it was picked up by the national news that way. But he definitely helped start that clusterfrick.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 11:02 pm to Antonio Moss
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Have you seen the statement given by lowery at the station? NO
Doesn't matter.
Right there is where I know your full of shite.
That is all you needed to say.
So you would just defend JJ in a court of law right now..without ever reading this statement?
hahahahahahhahahahahahahahaha
Posted on 8/25/11 at 11:03 pm to Shaka Zulu
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Do much personal injury?
Do you mean insurance liability?
Posted on 8/25/11 at 11:03 pm to dreaux
Posted on 8/25/11 at 11:03 pm to dreaux
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He is done. I don't a rats arse WTF he said at the station.
Yep.
Posted on 8/25/11 at 11:03 pm to geaux99
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Just because the "victims" are now being reported as "throwing the first punch," doesn't mean players won't be charged. If someone is getting kicked while on the ground...that's a battery. The force is excessive, regardless of whether the guy on the ground hit first.
No, it's not. It's only excessive if the guy is defenseless -- it's clear as day he was in the process of standing back up when he got kicked. I've seen to many people come back off the ground with a knife/weapon to consider someone knocked down defenseless.
This post was edited on 8/25/11 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 8/25/11 at 11:03 pm to EricB
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LOL you guys are really rallying tonight. Can't wait to see how you guys act when the rest of the police investigation progress gets released tomorrow.
I am just waiting to see JJ do his superman thing in the endzone sep3
Posted on 8/25/11 at 11:03 pm to hubris
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hubris
you seem like good people, even if you are an Auburn fan and a deadly sin.
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