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re: Eric Reid takes a knee....on Veterans Day weekend

Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:30 am to
Posted by RobDione
Pensacola Beach
Member since Nov 2007
765 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:30 am to
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this was his last year at LSU.


He was poe den...
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:33 am to
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You're ok with attention whores....I get it.


The irony here is that you're the one giving them attention...not me.

You know what I do if I see some a-hole burning a flag? I keep walking and ignore their fricking arse. sure...I could engage them, find out what stupid issue has them all bent out of shape about that they feel the need to do that...or I could go on with my life and ignore them.

That's the opposite of giving them the attention they crave.

So...same goes for this stuff. I don't pay a lick of attention to this, and in ignoring it I'm removing one more person from the crowd to whom their looking to for that attention.

You seem ok with giving them what they want...I'm not.
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
18949 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:35 am to
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You people are insufferable. I'm sick of this even being an issue - these guys can demonstrate however they want; I honestly don't care. But the fact that some of yall get so worked up over this is pathetic.
A to the mofo men.
Posted by tigervet89
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2017
183 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:36 am to
frick em
Posted by edsimms2000
Montgomery / New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
242 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:45 am to
First of all, as a black male, I wouldn't kneel or sit during the Anthem, but... He has a choice just like I do. He is fighting a cause with a platform many can't fight. What he is doing is peaceful. In other words, he shouldn't do a peaceful silent protest on his job and if he does, he should be fired but the protestors in Virginia can protest and beat an unarmed black men but keep their job only because the National Anthem wasn't playing? Lastly, the GreenBay Packers stood and locked Arms and were still booed.
Posted by ElRoos
Member since Nov 2017
7914 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:48 am to
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Like the other poster said, this is not really in play here. It is in the sense that you or I can say what we want right now and not expect to be jailed for treason because we spoke against the government. But that's as far as it goes. It's not like the players are being 1st amendment patriots by kneeling. If the team owner wanted to, he could make it a team rule that players had to stand. That's not something that Eric Reid would be protected against by the 1st Amendment.


That's a fair point. Like I said, I would prefer everyone stand during the anthem, as I am one who wants to pay homage to those who have served to protect our country. At the same time, I don't think we should want to control the actions of others, regardless if they agree with our viewpoints or not.

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With two toddlers running around, this is the case anyway. Regardless.



I could only imagine. I better enjoy my youth while it lasts.
Posted by TigerSpray
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2016
2342 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:54 am to
There won't be an nfl in three years. The USFL will re-emerge under Trump and the eric reids will have to use their college education in the unemployment lines, oh wait, that's right....
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95632 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 11:57 am to
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He has a choice just like I do.


Well, let's say you're in the stands. I would argue you have a choice, but he doesn't really have one. (Now - they're allowing it, but I digress.)

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What he is doing is peaceful.


I agree. And I have been a fan of Eric Reid since he signed with LSU. By all reports, a fine young man, taking his education as seriously as athletics.

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In other words, he shouldn't do a peaceful silent protest on his job and if he does, he should be fired


Yes. Here's why:

The NFL has policies. Those policies include not doing anything to damage their brand/marketing potential. This is why players can/are suspended for off-the-field violence, criminal activity, etc. This is also why the players cannot take political positions, EVEN THOSE POPULAR WITH THEIR FANS - without explicit okay from the league.

What am I talking about? The Dallas Cowboys wanted to honor their fallen police officers with a uniform decal or equivalent. You recall, right? Those cops who put themselves in harm's way and got killed for their trouble during some left wing protest (BLM, Antifa or equivalent). The league said no.

And last season, at least 1 black player (ETA: Avery Williamson, former SEC player out of Kentucky, now with the Titans) was denied the privilege of wearing a 9/11 commemoration for the 15th Anniversary of the event.

But they did nothing to the kneelers. They took a side (and the wrong one, IMHO) - and you just can't do this and not look bad.

I don't blame Eric Reid. I don't even blame Kap. I blame Goodell and the owners. It is THEIR asses on the line at this point, more so than the players. They could have nipped it in the bud. They thought by making Kap unemployable it would go away. It is political genius of Trump to force them to take a side, but I digress (again).

So, that's where we're at. Either all of it is okay or none of it is. Since they (the league, not the players) have chosen to be selective (and chosen poorly, again, IMHO), they are in the position to lose the most.

This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 12:01 pm
Posted by Minden tiger
Minden,Louisiana
Member since Apr 2006
3337 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 12:11 pm to
Eric Reid is my favorite Tiger! Proud to have him representing LSU in the NFL!

He’s been saluting and raising money for military vets via twitter all week.

Just saw some great pics of him embracing military at Sunday’s game. A fine young man. You’d have to be a lowlife loser to speak ill of him, for sure.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 12:16 pm to
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but keep their job only because the National Anthem wasn't playing


Is this in reference to a particular person?

Many people identified that were at that ralley were fired from their jobs.

Example

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Ryan Roy has been terminated," Skip Weldon, chief marketing officer for Boston-based Uno Pizzeria and Grill, said Tuesday.
Posted by P bean
br
Member since Dec 2006
4759 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 12:17 pm to
Taking a knee was never intended as an insult to veterans/military, it was done to bring awareness and support to issue re: police brutality.

Then the media twisted it to be interpreted as a insult to this country's military etc.

Please stop acting like players kneeling is about the military. Its not.

That being said, I stand for the anthem and always will. Might even sing a little. But no one should care if players are kneeling in a stand against police brutality.
This post was edited on 11/13/17 at 12:18 pm
Posted by LSUboudreau
Member since Dec 2016
294 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 12:21 pm to
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Specifically point out a time when the soldiers have been fighting for the right for people to play football or for freedom in general.


Are you fricking serious?
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95632 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 12:26 pm to
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But no one should care if players are kneeling in a stand against police brutality.



Can we care if the league picks and chooses which speech they deem worthy?
Posted by TaderSalad
mudbug territory
Member since Jul 2014
26440 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 12:28 pm to
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How in the hell does an autopsy proves someone was trying to take a gun




They dont. They prove testimony to be correct of false. In this instance, it proved the eye witness accounts which cleared the officer of any wrong doing. A jury cleared the officer of any wrong doing. What dont you people get about that?
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
20149 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 12:37 pm to
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But no one should care if players are kneeling in a stand against police brutality.

I simply don't understand how people keep missing the point.

The players can protest all they want -- ON THEIR OWN TIME.

But at a football game, fans don't want to see political protests - we want to see football.

Play ball - and protest all you want..... but on your own time.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
Lurking the Tin Foil Hat Board
Member since Jul 2009
50742 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 12:38 pm to
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we want to see football.



1,000% agree. Stop wasting time with the national anthem and just play ball.
Posted by tigerborderjumper
Member since Sep 2014
2656 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 12:43 pm to
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Specifically point out a time when the soldiers have been fighting for the right for people to play football or for freedom in general.




That post just proves that there is at least one idiot born every minute. The scary thing is that they exercise their constitutional right and vote.
Posted by DocBugbear
Arlington, Texas
Member since Mar 2008
8140 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 12:50 pm to
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Actually it isn't that cut and dry. Standing for the national anthem is considered by the courts to be a political act. If the government is unable to make you stand for the anthem, then it is unlikely that your employer is able to do so. McDonald's can't make you wear a Trump shirt (or Hillary shirt) if you don't want to.
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absolutely false.
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As a private entity, a football franchise would have wide latitude in many states to dismiss workers under the “employment at will” doctrine. A player, meanwhile, has strong First Amendment rights to free speech and expression, but that primarily protects him from governments. In this case, both free speech and contractual issues would likely tie up the firing in the arbitration process and the courts for years.
Tied up in courts for years doesn't sound that cut and dry.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
Lurking the Tin Foil Hat Board
Member since Jul 2009
50742 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 12:52 pm to
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If you have served and feel this behavior is fine...shame on you.


Guess that whole oath to defend the constitution was tough for you get through huh?
Posted by Lsuismyfav
Kentwood, LA
Member since Mar 2007
1784 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 1:14 pm to
How does protesting before kickoff interrupting the game? It has never affected the game for me.
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