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re: Does lsu have a chance of getting into a hypothetical 12 team playoff?
Posted on 11/12/23 at 11:51 pm to JPLSU1981
Posted on 11/12/23 at 11:51 pm to JPLSU1981
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All fans of LSU would be rooting for LSU to make the playoffs. (Or NY6 this year)
Did you just imply that you would prefer LSU not make the playoffs?? Wtf dude?
Id prefer that we not cheapen what it means to be in the playoffs just to get a participation trophy
College doesn’t have the parity of the pros. #10 is NEVER a team even close to being on par for 1-2.
Watch, the first year we are regarded as #13, there will be bitching it should be a 14 or 16 team playoff.
frick, since we are destroying the regular season anyway, one of the elements that made CFB distinct. (Kinda hard to get that passion up with ultimately any single game doesn’t derail your postseason, period), just make it a 32 team playoff.
Who cares that it’s been empirically proven that the logic behind the playoff (you are better than every team you beat) gets disproven literally every year……yay we are in the playoff! Even with 3 losses!
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Posted on 11/12/23 at 11:55 pm to Volvagia
Man I get it, and I actually agree. (About expanded playoffs cheapening the regular season) …I 100% agree!….. no sarcasm, I totally agree
That said… you and I don’t make the rules. It’s done, they decided to go to a 12t playoff. So of course I’m rooting for LSU to make it. What else you gonna do?…. Root for us to not make it?? Of course I want our team to reach the playoff, as I’m sure you do.
(This isn’t a thread about “should CFB go to 12 teams?”…that’s done, it’s happening)
That said… you and I don’t make the rules. It’s done, they decided to go to a 12t playoff. So of course I’m rooting for LSU to make it. What else you gonna do?…. Root for us to not make it?? Of course I want our team to reach the playoff, as I’m sure you do.
(This isn’t a thread about “should CFB go to 12 teams?”…that’s done, it’s happening)
This post was edited on 11/13/23 at 12:04 am
Posted on 11/13/23 at 12:10 am to JPLSU1981
That is true. Money wins all, and the extra games are in.
I guess my point is that the playoff is to determine the national championship.
If we aren’t in the top 12, we haven’t deserved it.
And regressing to this thread in particular: we were given opportunities. Getting into the 4 team playoff wasn’t closed till the Bama game.
So basically, to rephrase OP: hey I know we have proven on the field we weren’t deserving of a national title, but you think if we had a 12 team playoff we would play?!
Also, I merely said this why I hate the expansion.
I get we didn’t endorse the call, or have any pull in the say…..but frick the idea of just “going with the flow” and not only accepting it but fully embracing and cheering for it like you suggest.
I guess my point is that the playoff is to determine the national championship.
If we aren’t in the top 12, we haven’t deserved it.
And regressing to this thread in particular: we were given opportunities. Getting into the 4 team playoff wasn’t closed till the Bama game.
So basically, to rephrase OP: hey I know we have proven on the field we weren’t deserving of a national title, but you think if we had a 12 team playoff we would play?!
Also, I merely said this why I hate the expansion.
I get we didn’t endorse the call, or have any pull in the say…..but frick the idea of just “going with the flow” and not only accepting it but fully embracing and cheering for it like you suggest.
This post was edited on 11/13/23 at 12:20 am
Posted on 11/13/23 at 12:58 am to bayoubaw18
There's a chance but not a good one. On the hand the chips do seem to fall LSU's way when they're in the conversation that last weekend.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 1:13 am to bayoubaw18
It all comes down to the old “best team” vs “more deserving team”
Our record is mediocre because of the defense, but there is no team on this planet that would want to play us in a single-elimination playoff game. If our defense gets a stop a quarter we beat anyone including UGA.
Our record is mediocre because of the defense, but there is no team on this planet that would want to play us in a single-elimination playoff game. If our defense gets a stop a quarter we beat anyone including UGA.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 1:41 am to JPLSU1981
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Anyone that says no doesn’t know what they’re talking about. It’s absolutely possible. It’s admittedly Unlikely if you look at what needs to happen, but nonetheless 100% possible.
I’m going to go ahead and reply to you/quote you because you’ve absolutely called the dumbasses who can’t thing (say no) out….
LSU is currently #15 in the AP and Coaches Poll. The playoff committee has shown they will do a deeper analysis - it’s sometimes wrong but still generally better - than the polls do in formulating the rankings.
If applied to this season with only six at large berths, LSU would be among 11 teams fighting for six at large spots - Michigan, Oregon, Alabama, Ole Miss, Missouri, Oregon State, Penn State, Louisville, Oklahoma and Utah.
I think all would agree that Alabama & Ole Miss by virtue of H2h get in over LSU, and that likely B10/Pac-12 runners up 1-loss Michigan and 2-loss Oregon get in over LSU as well (or however those conferences fall, the second best team)
That leaves two spots with…
Missouri - lost H2H to LSU
Penn State - no ranked wins
Oregon State - loss to unranked Wazzou and 19 Arizona
Oklahoma- losses to 25 Osu and unranked KU
Louisville - loss to 2-8 Pitt
Utah - 3 top ten losses…hmm..5-6-10
LSUs losses are to 4-8-11
I’ll just say that in a truly objective look, LSU compares favorably with each team there…you’d have a much more sound argument for LSU getting in over each of those teams than you would for any team getting in over LSU, objectively of course.
Only Oklahoma has a better win. Utah arguably has “better losses”, though they were blown out at home vs all of LSUs on the road
So to answer the question, with the season not over today I’d say that LSU has a damn strong case to be one of the top six At Large bids —- IF IF IF the selectors aren’t simply lazy and actually do comparisons.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:34 am to Volvagia
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Watch, the first year we are regarded as #13, there will be bitching it should be a 14 or 16 team playoff.
That will happen no matter what. In basketball 68 teams get in and bubble teams still complain.
CFB is the only sport where you can go undefeated and not be the champion. That's the worst possible system. I would agree that 12 is too many unless you break up the superconferences and make it a Tournament of Champions.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:39 am to bayoubaw18
2 years away from that.
Will be a step back next year
Will be a step back next year
Posted on 11/13/23 at 6:46 am to JPLSU1981
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This particular year, who is that?……Iowa? There’s currently really no other options for a P5 champion outside the Top12. Oklahoma maybe but if they win the Big12 they’ll be in the Top12
It would come from a non-favorite winning a conference championship game. Iowa, NCSt., OkSt. could each play the spoiler. It is less likely now without divisions in many P5 conferences.
Posted on 11/13/23 at 7:49 am to Volvagia
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Id prefer that we not cheapen what it means to be in the playoffs just to get a participation trophy
I'm the opposite. It makes it more exciting in several ways.
One, it gives teams incentive to play tough non-conference games. You can lose a non-conference game plus a conference game and still make the playoff.
Two it keeps the conversation alive. Instead of maybe 6 teams having a shot at the playoffs you have maybe 20. That makes for a lot more meaningful games going down the stretch. It doesn't "cheapen" the regular season. You know what cheapens the regular season? When a star player, like a Jayden Daniels or Caleb Williams shuts it down late in the season to avoid injury and focus on the draft after his team has been eliminated.
What also cheapens the regular season is teams that play non-conference games against Rice and 3 directional schools because they won't risk a loss.
Three you won't get teams who play patsy schedules, like Clemson or Boise State eliminate teams that have a loss but ha e run the gauntlet of an SEC or Big 10 schedule. Both teams get to compete for the title - and the best team at the end of the season will win. There won't be any asterisks next to the champion's name.
This post was edited on 11/13/23 at 7:53 am
Posted on 11/13/23 at 8:35 am to Locoguan0
The playoffs keeps the hopes alive for Cinderella. The Cinderella story is usually the biggest story of the NCAA championship in hoops. Last year, the whole country was pulling for Florida Atlantic. The football playoffs will be no different.
Also, this way there will be meaningful games every weekend of the bowl season. Sure, there will probably be some meaningless bowl games, but there will also be playoff games. If the playoffs were held right now, you would have Alabama, Oklahoma, Oregon, Ole Miss, Texas, and either Ohio State or Michigan playing on the first weekend. It is entirely plausible that one of those teams will beat one of the top 4 schools on week 2 of the playoffs. There will be some non-traditional schools in the mix - Oregon State, Louisville, Missouri, etc.
The school that wins that type of tournament is going to have to be mentally tough and playing their best. Just like the men's basketball championship...
Also, this way there will be meaningful games every weekend of the bowl season. Sure, there will probably be some meaningless bowl games, but there will also be playoff games. If the playoffs were held right now, you would have Alabama, Oklahoma, Oregon, Ole Miss, Texas, and either Ohio State or Michigan playing on the first weekend. It is entirely plausible that one of those teams will beat one of the top 4 schools on week 2 of the playoffs. There will be some non-traditional schools in the mix - Oregon State, Louisville, Missouri, etc.
The school that wins that type of tournament is going to have to be mentally tough and playing their best. Just like the men's basketball championship...
This post was edited on 11/13/23 at 8:47 am
Posted on 11/14/23 at 1:22 am to Bestbank Tiger
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CFB is the only sport where you can go undefeated and not be the champion.
You are bringing up the problems of the 1-2 BCS format and applying it to the 4 team playoff.
There has never been a year that a #5 or lower has had a legit claim to the title. Ever.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 1:28 am to Jax-Tiger
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One, it gives teams incentive to play tough non-conference games. You can lose a non-conference game plus a conference game and still make the playoff.
No it doesn’t. At all. It just reduces the potential penalty.
Also, we are obviously looking at completely different perspectives.
I’m all for “every game matters.”
Your attitude is to say “who cares if we lose? The needed threshold is so low we can afford to take it so let’s play. It’s helps us if we win. Costs nothing if we lose”
Yeah. That’s what sucked about CFB games. The stakes around high end non conference games. And you are removing the stakes, while believing the excitement and the need to win are still there. Jesus. There’s a difference of opinion and flat out delusion.
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