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re: Do you think we will hire a new O coordinator in the offseason?
Posted on 11/8/18 at 1:37 pm to TigerLunatik
Posted on 11/8/18 at 1:37 pm to TigerLunatik
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Posted on 11/8/18 at 1:43 pm to bencoleman
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Whether you like it or not, Ed is the boss. Ed asked him because the players weren't picking it up. Do you really want to go into a game with players that don't know what's going on and possibly don't even know their blocking assignments.
There's always going to be growing pains with a new offense.
O panicked after the MSU loss and fricked Canada's process in an attempt to have better results immediately.
If you're going to hire someone to do a job let them do it unfettered, especially when they're the expert at that job and your knowledge is limited at best.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 1:47 pm to bencoleman
Ed’s job is pretty simple, win.
All the “what would you have done” and “he did what he thought was right” talk goes right out the window when what he does costs us a game.
All the “what would you have done” and “he did what he thought was right” talk goes right out the window when what he does costs us a game.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 1:50 pm to Goldrush25
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O panicked after the MSU loss and fricked Canada's process in an attempt to have better results immediately.
O cannot afford long-term thinking, because O was on a 3-year deal that LSU could easily afford to buy-out and move on.
No matter how I try to justify this decision, I cannot justify Joe Alleva's actions. Rather than bringing in a coach who would have enough credibility to get 2-3 years of good will, he gave LSU someone on the absolute edge at all times.
Seriously: does anyone think O survives if LSU loses to Arkansas or A&M? We have a head coach on that thin of a line right now, despite all of the rumors of an 'extension.'
Posted on 11/8/18 at 1:52 pm to RuLSU
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I think there's a really good chance E "steps down" in one way or another. It's going to happen, IMO.
I believe so too. He's not an ego driven guy and supposedly was urged into the spot. If he feels he's not benefitting the program I would not be surprised if he goes to O and steps down.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 1:57 pm to RedPop4
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. THEN you tell him, in effect, I didn't recruit good enough players YOU have to enact "Offense for Dummies" or else
Maybe Canada could've spent less time in the barroom and more time in the football film room explaining his offense and what was expected of each player and coach O wouldn't have felt the need to ask him to simplify it.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 2:05 pm to bencoleman
Come on, Ben, a drunk Canada runs a much more competitive scheme than this Ensminger O shoved in our face. And never ever forget it was O and O alone that cost us that game against Troy. There he was meddling in Canada's offense - the bad O resurfaced - and then came one of the most embarrassing losses LSU ever suffered.
This post was edited on 11/8/18 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 11/8/18 at 2:08 pm to bencoleman
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Maybe Canada could've spent less time in the barroom and more time in the football film room explaining his offense and what was expected of each player and coach O wouldn't have felt the need to ask him to simplify it.
We didn't look confused last year on offense.
O's reasoning for meddling was due to playing young players along the OL. He thought it would benefit them by just having them line-up apart from the motion.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 2:16 pm to RuLSU
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O cannot afford long-term thinking, because O was on a 3-year deal that LSU could easily afford to buy-out and move on.
If you don't have a guy that can think long term, then you don't have the right guy IMO.
I know there's a reality of the fragility that is a new head coach's job status. But don't you have to have a guy that realizes that you have to sometimes forego immediate results so that you have a solid foundation for 4-5 years down the line? If you have a strong process in place you aren't worried about short term hiccups. Short term bumps in the road are expected.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 2:17 pm to bencoleman
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coach O wouldn't have felt the need to ask him to simplify it.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
O hired Canada. Whatever that frick up was, its on O. O hired E and LSU having one of the worse offenses in the nation is on O.
Stop looking for excuses and except the fact that offensively O has been a terrible hire.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 2:26 pm to bencoleman
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Whether you like it or not, Ed is the boss.
It is clear that I do not like it. How do you know what ED asked Matt to do? Did either of them confide in you? We know what the media reported, but I am sure such reports are far from the whole story. Ed does NOT know how to game plan for a defense. The offense was more productive last year with Canada despite little Eddie's interference, not because of it.
0 has tied his fate to SE. That will prove his undoing if he stays the course.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 2:54 pm to LSU Groupee
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Stop looking for excuses and except the fact that offensively O has been a terrible hire
O has not been a terrible hire. The offense definitely needs work. This board overreacts to everything. Coach O has done a good job so far yet people can't help but focus on the negative. There are a lot of reasons for the lack of offensive production. Personnel being the most glaring. Nobody thought that this team would be world beaters this season but everyone is ready to fire the coaches because they're not.
You want a discussion on why the offense is struggling but when you hear something besides the coach sucks you go full retard and scream about excuses.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 3:06 pm to bencoleman
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Ed asked him to simplify things due to certain players not picking up the offense. Canada told Ed to frick off.
If it was merely that straightforward, Etling wouldn't have confirmed they were running plays from 2016.
Evidently Orgeron got his way and it backfired spectacularly.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 3:22 pm to LSUMANINVA
We need to bring someone that will bring in the spread... and combine that with a better QB and O line. We need to be up to date.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 3:28 pm to LSUMANINVA
Should we? Yes. A top tier OC while retaining Aranda makes Ed Orgeron a viable coach moving forward to win championships for LSU, and that’s what we all want, whether we’re a positiger or a negatiger or whatever
Will we? Absolutely not. Because Ed Orgeron is our head coach and he’s going to be stubborn about this and say SE is doing a great job as OC.
Will we? Absolutely not. Because Ed Orgeron is our head coach and he’s going to be stubborn about this and say SE is doing a great job as OC.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 3:43 pm to LSUMANINVA
I sense orgeron is too personally connected to ensminger to axe him, and unfortunately i think it needs to happen for this team/program to make the next leap forward.
Coach o is doing a remarkable job so far as head coach but when the seasons over he needs to do the difficult thing, and press forward.
If he doesnt, there is no reason to think lsu program will advance under his watch
Coach o is doing a remarkable job so far as head coach but when the seasons over he needs to do the difficult thing, and press forward.
If he doesnt, there is no reason to think lsu program will advance under his watch
Posted on 11/8/18 at 3:47 pm to bencoleman
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Maybe Canada could've spent less time in the barroom and more time in the football film room explaining his offense and what was expected of each player and coach O wouldn't have felt the need to ask him to simplify it.
Let me get this straight.
You don't believe reports that O meddled with Canada's offense? You do not believe the credible journalism on O meddling with Canada's offense leading to a meeting with Alleva? You do not even believe in such things even though O admitted to meddling with Canada's offense?
Yet, despite that, you'll take wholly unsubstantiated rumors about Canada drinking and believe them whole-heartedly?
Baw, you can't be serious.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 3:49 pm to bencoleman
So, now, Matt Canada was a drunk.
I read the tRant, but do not live on it. Forgive my obtuseness, but were there threads about this a year ago?
If, indeed, there were, I missed them spectacularly. If there were not, you are making up whatever shite you can and throwing it to the wall to see what people will believe all so you can, rhetorically, prop up Coach Orgeron.
EDIT:I just did a cursory search using the terms: Matt Canada drunk ; Matt Canada bar ; Matt Canada Barroom.
All three turned up the same thing: "No Results Found"
You, sir, are full of shite.
I read the tRant, but do not live on it. Forgive my obtuseness, but were there threads about this a year ago?
If, indeed, there were, I missed them spectacularly. If there were not, you are making up whatever shite you can and throwing it to the wall to see what people will believe all so you can, rhetorically, prop up Coach Orgeron.
EDIT:I just did a cursory search using the terms: Matt Canada drunk ; Matt Canada bar ; Matt Canada Barroom.
All three turned up the same thing: "No Results Found"
You, sir, are full of shite.
This post was edited on 11/8/18 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 11/8/18 at 4:14 pm to RuLSU
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You don't believe reports that O meddled with Canada's offense? You do not believe the credible journalism on O meddling with Canada's offense leading to a meeting with Alleva? You do not even believe in such things even though O admitted to meddling with Canada's offense
Link please.
Posted on 11/8/18 at 4:16 pm to LSUMANINVA
Fire alleva first
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