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re: Do the new bats ruin the game of College baseball for anyone else?
Posted on 6/3/13 at 12:25 pm to ProjectP2294
Posted on 6/3/13 at 12:25 pm to ProjectP2294
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No. I'm not.
Yes. You are.
Unless of course you think that a decrease in the effectiveness of the pitchers would not lead to an increase in the potency of the offenses.
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Posted on 6/3/13 at 12:25 pm to ProjectP2294
If there are people that can argue about aluminum bats being a crutch for less than good hitters, the same argument can be made about the big seams for pitchers.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 12:26 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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And so bringing back "juiced" bats to provide more extra base hits and power to the game wouldn't make pitchers less effective?
It would have an effect on the pitchers numbers, but it wouldn't have any physical effect on how effectively they can throw the ball.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 12:27 pm to upgrade
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If there are people that can argue about aluminum bats being a crutch for less than good hitters, the same argument can be made about the big seams for pitchers.
It is the same argument. I just don't have a problem with both segments having the crutch. Once again, these aren't professional players, having that crutch it okay.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 12:27 pm to ProjectP2294
In reality I liked the 2010 bats.
But if using the minor league ball returns offensive numbers similar to those that's all I ask for.
But if using the minor league ball returns offensive numbers similar to those that's all I ask for.
This post was edited on 6/3/13 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 6/3/13 at 12:29 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Unless of course you think that a decrease in the effectiveness of the pitchers would not lead to an increase in the potency of the offenses.
It can, but it doesn't automatically.
What I'm saying is that when they adjusted the bats, they made it harder for the hitters while keeping it the same for the pitchers. Now, everyone wants to make it harder for the pitchers to even it out.
Why not make it slightly easier for the batters and keep it the same for the pitchers instead of making it harder for everyone?
Posted on 6/3/13 at 12:33 pm to upgrade
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But if using the minor league ball returns offensive numbers similar to those that's all I ask for.
I just think there are better ways of going about it than changing the ball. Making the ball more difficult to control for the pitchers won't just lead to them missing their spots in the strike zone. Walks and HBPs will be up. Is that better for the quality of the game? Or the safety of the players, since that's why this whole bat thing started?
Posted on 6/3/13 at 12:33 pm to PurpleAndGold86
If you've ever batted with wood, it is quite apparent that BBCOR has a lot less pop; wood actually has tremendous pop on the sweet spot. The differences are that the sweet spot is small on wood and anything down towards the hands means a broken bat - not a Texas leaguer or better.
This has nothing to do with safety - that is a myth. This has everything to do with the Augie Garrido's, California schools, and small schools who want to play small ball only. Right now, the majors are averaging just over 1 homerun per game ( 56 games, 57 HRs ) per ESPN. Per NCAA, only 5 teams average over 1 HR per game, with only 34 teams averaging over 0.7 per game. That's out of 298 teams! Considering the talent concentration is going to be with your larger schools, the numbers at the top of the list should be much, much higher.
This has nothing to do with safety - that is a myth. This has everything to do with the Augie Garrido's, California schools, and small schools who want to play small ball only. Right now, the majors are averaging just over 1 homerun per game ( 56 games, 57 HRs ) per ESPN. Per NCAA, only 5 teams average over 1 HR per game, with only 34 teams averaging over 0.7 per game. That's out of 298 teams! Considering the talent concentration is going to be with your larger schools, the numbers at the top of the list should be much, much higher.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 12:34 pm to ProjectP2294
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instead of making it harder for everyone?
Raising the seams doesn't make it harder for everyone.
It makes it:
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slightly easier for the batters
in two ways:
1. The ball with lower seams will travel farther than the ball with higher seams.
2. Not all of the pitchers will be quite as effective.
FWIW, major leaguers get plenty of action on their pitches - run, sink, break, cut etc. Would they get more movement with higher seams? Sure..however, it is still very possible for pitchers to throw effective breaking pitches and have movement on their pitches. Hanging breaking pitches will be a lot more noticeable, but other than that I don't think the decrease in the effectiveness of pitchers will be quite as drastic as you might be making it out to be.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 12:37 pm to PurpleAndGold86
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Raising the seams doesn't make it harder for everyone.
Who said anything about raising the seams? Keeping the current ball means not changing the ball in any way whatsoever.
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FWIW, major leaguers get plenty of action on their pitches
Good for them. We're talking about college pitchers.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 12:37 pm to ProjectP2294
quote:I agree. It also seems most reasonable to somewhat reverse the cause of the current problem, i.e., excessive bat restrictions.
What I'm saying is that when they adjusted the bats, they made it harder for the hitters while keeping it the same for the pitchers. Now, everyone wants to make it harder for the pitchers to even it out.
Why not make it slightly easier for the batters and keep it the same for the pitchers instead of making it harder for everyone?
Posted on 6/3/13 at 12:38 pm to ProjectP2294
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Making the ball more difficult to control for the pitchers won't just lead to them missing their spots in the strike zone. Walks and HBPs will be up. Is that better for the quality of the game?
Lowering the seams isn't going to be this drastic of a change that pitchers are all of the sudden going to be throwing the ball over the backstop and unable to locate. They just won't see as much action on their breaking stuff.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 12:41 pm to ProjectP2294
Clearly in the context of what we are discussing I meant to say lowering the seams doesn't make it harder for everyone.
No shite, but you are making it out to be like college pitchers are going to be as effective as a freaking 10 year old pitching against Barry Bonds. You think they won't be able to throw strikes or breaking balls and that when they do throw strikes it will be right down the middle of the plate since they will miss their spots. Basically, you are drastically overestimating the impact on pitching by lowering the seams.
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FWIW, major leaguers get plenty of action on their pitches
Good for them. We're talking about college pitchers.
No shite, but you are making it out to be like college pitchers are going to be as effective as a freaking 10 year old pitching against Barry Bonds. You think they won't be able to throw strikes or breaking balls and that when they do throw strikes it will be right down the middle of the plate since they will miss their spots. Basically, you are drastically overestimating the impact on pitching by lowering the seams.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 12:41 pm to Moustache
Ruin? No
Take away part of what made college baseball more exciting than MLB? Yes, absolutely. There's just too few HRs now. They need to at minimum switch to the MLB baseball.
Take away part of what made college baseball more exciting than MLB? Yes, absolutely. There's just too few HRs now. They need to at minimum switch to the MLB baseball.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 12:51 pm to thunderbird1100
I hope they don't lower the seems as that is where the pitchers get advantage with sliders and breaking stuff. Games would never end. I think a slightly better bat would satisfy the folks who want more offense.
I like pitching but it is getting kinda boring waiting on a walk and an error then a hit to score.
I like pitching but it is getting kinda boring waiting on a walk and an error then a hit to score.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 12:52 pm to BIG Texan
What's the difference between this college ball and a MLB?
I really didn't know there was any difference?
I really didn't know there was any difference?
Posted on 6/3/13 at 12:53 pm to BIG Texan
Yes, the ball is wound tighter in MLB and has lower seams than a college ball. When the seams are higher (such as on the college ball) it is easier to get more drastic break on a breaking pitch. The ball also will not travel as far when hit as a result of the higher seams.
This post was edited on 6/3/13 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 6/3/13 at 12:57 pm to PurpleAndGold86
No!
I like the BBCOR bats.
I like the BBCOR bats.
Posted on 6/3/13 at 1:06 pm to PurpleAndGold86
Seems are higher than a MLB ? Wow didn't know that. No wonder these kids have so much junk. Thanks
Posted on 6/3/13 at 1:14 pm to BIG Texan
Yep, slightly higher on the college ball. It is very noticeable if you hold the two in your hand. You can immediately tell a difference. The higher seams help pitchers get more jusnk because they are able to get a better grip and produce tighter spin on the ball and get more drag.
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