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re: Defense film study, a disappointing watch (kinda long)
Posted on 10/12/20 at 9:08 pm to Folsom
Posted on 10/12/20 at 9:08 pm to Folsom
Obviously Marcel Brooks was desperate enough to transfer out - that really concerned me when he went into the portal.
How do you let a 5 star give up and transfer.
That kid had a bright future and would have been a star here with the right coaching.
How do you let a 5 star give up and transfer.
That kid had a bright future and would have been a star here with the right coaching.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 9:10 pm to AcetheTigah
You have to think having him right now could at least help with depth.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 9:11 pm to The Mick
We had these EXACT SAME CONCERNS last year at this time. Literally the exact same. I can't tell you just how deja vu this is. Thanks for putting it together.
We just aren't able to get a cohesive group on the field early in the year for whatever reason. This is especially true at linebacker, where you NEED leadership the most.
No penetration on the Dline, linebackers not committing and then over-pursuing. Safeties taking bad angles.
Deja vu.
We just aren't able to get a cohesive group on the field early in the year for whatever reason. This is especially true at linebacker, where you NEED leadership the most.
No penetration on the Dline, linebackers not committing and then over-pursuing. Safeties taking bad angles.
Deja vu.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 9:57 pm to The Mick
So based off this Clark is trash haha
Posted on 10/12/20 at 11:04 pm to CBP3110
Great post. Someone send this to Pelini. Seriously, he needs to see it.
Posted on 10/12/20 at 11:58 pm to The Mick
First, off Mick, let me start by commending you on doing such a great job of breaking down film.
It seems all those things you pointed out in the film like; biting on the motion, lack of gap integrity, over pursuing, failing to set the edge, trying to run around blocks, Linebackers being blown 9 yards downfield, severe coverage breakdowns, etc...are coaching/preparation issues.....or the players have tuned out Bo.
quote:Your statement here is correct. The MLB makes the strength call and the FS makes the coverage adjustments. But, even at the high school level, strength calls are predetermined by formation/alignment and/or boundary/field side. This is done so everyone on the field can instantly spin to their assignments upon recognition, so even if the MLB or the DC has a brain fart making the call the defense can self-correct itself on the fly presnap, or even if the offense is in tempo.
For example - I think (correct me if I'm wrong) that in the 4-3 defense, the MLB makes the call of which side is strong/weak.
It seems all those things you pointed out in the film like; biting on the motion, lack of gap integrity, over pursuing, failing to set the edge, trying to run around blocks, Linebackers being blown 9 yards downfield, severe coverage breakdowns, etc...are coaching/preparation issues.....or the players have tuned out Bo.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 1:08 am to The Mick
TBob called it the worst defensive tape he had ever seen.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 2:02 am to AcetheTigah
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Obviously Marcel Brooks was desperate enough to transfer out - that really concerned me when he went into the portal.
Marcell and to a lesser extent Vincent were forced out.. marcell was believed to be the influencer.. we had a real drug issue in our locker room and not just weed. Both were facing lengthy suspensions.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 2:13 am to shackleford318
quote:Amazingly good at dancing after making a rare play.....
It’s amazing how bad Clark is
Posted on 10/13/20 at 7:09 am to The Mick
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Agreed. I was excited to see him this year, I have no explanation.
Missed assignments and hesitation galore. To me these still fall on Pelini. The hesitation is guys either not knowing/understanding or trusting their reads. They are "thinking too much" and not playing fast to the ball. We saw most of these guys perform better last year. Did we expect a drop off - of course. But not off a cliff
Posted on 10/13/20 at 7:24 am to The Mick
The entire defense looks slow, weak, confused, and dispassionate. This is on O & Bo.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 7:43 am to ninthward
quote:Hard to argue with that
TBob called it the worst defensive tape he had ever seen.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 7:52 am to The Mick
Great stuff, The Mick. Thank you!
Posted on 10/13/20 at 8:08 am to TigerFanNKaty
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This is just baffling to watch. He was not that bad last year.
He was not that bad last year, because it was a different defense and he had time to learned it for atleast 2 years. As much as we blame O and Bo(Zo). You can coach EFFORT. BUT, it us their job to recognize it and get someone who's going to give it their all. Whether if they understand it or not.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 8:20 am to The Mick
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On an option play, the DE has the QB not the dive.
This happens a lot, sure, but not necessarily. There are situations where the DE would take the dive, and an LB or even safety would roll down the weak side.
This is why I hate singling out players for missed assignments. We don't know the specific play calls and responsibilities (and obviously they don't either). Just like our pass D, in the run game a lot of times we saw 2 guys in 1 gap leaving a gap totally exposed. They just don't know their responsibilities. That's simple stuff. It's on Pelini. Effort and tackling were an issue at times too for sure.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 9:19 am to The Mick
The problem is the LBs are just playing the run, which should at least work against the run, but with modern offenses they can't just line up and tackle a guy. They stare at all the misdirection and then chase the ball carrier for a 9 yard gain.
In gif #7, it's not confusion in coverage it's that Bo guessed run. So the LBs are just playing coverage underneath if it happens to be a pass. Doesn't work in today's game.
In gif #7, it's not confusion in coverage it's that Bo guessed run. So the LBs are just playing coverage underneath if it happens to be a pass. Doesn't work in today's game.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 9:57 am to madddoggydawg
quote:Exactly what I said. Clark and Cox appear to be in a shallow zone. Clark’s first few steps are backwards chasing the TE which takes him out of position for the crossing route into his zone. Either it’s confusion if we’re zone or man, or lack of discipline in covering your assignment.
So the LBs are just playing coverage underneath if it happens to be a pass.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 10:37 am to The Mick
The one that’s really glaring to me is 5, the alignment was bad and they motioned to the strong side and no shift, it was an easy pick up with numbers in their favor. In 4, bad technique by Logan and very evident they are missing Shelvin ( I may have missed something dealing with hurricane but I didn’t see Ika, why? ) At times LBers are shooting gaps when they should slow play it and vice versa. Guys are getting caught shifting or not shifting when they should or shouldn’t and created bad numbers and alignments.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 10:38 am to The Mick
Thanks The Mick. Good job on this for real.
Posted on 10/13/20 at 1:31 pm to The Mick
It’s important to realize how the defense is supposed to defend each play and their responsibility. I’m a former Texas HS coach who ran a 4-3, so heres what I see from a base 4-3 from these gifs:
1) you’re correct— 11 gets driven, 18 overpursues to try to cover him. Hell of a play by 97 to run flat down the line in his gap and make a play. Stingley loaf.
2) not 8’s fault at all. He gets a down block, gets hands on and squeezes the down block with his eyes up and shoulders square, perfect technique. He’s responsible for the dive, LBs have to flow. 19 gets murdered. Based on the alignment we can see there should be a safety running downhill which appears to be 31 at the very end of the play. Where was that guy? He’s the “alley” player.
3) I think this is actually a solid defensive play against a really tough scheme. 8 has to fight down the line with the puller in front of him. He’s in charge of the dive player usually, so he seems to be correct. 18 sees the read and stays outside despite the read from the double pullers, even fighting off a blocker to do it. Again the safeties are a bit slow.
4) this is bad by a lot of guys against simple outside zone. First thing to notice is the blitzing safety on the back side. At least the DL on his side should be stunting toward the run. 8 has him point blank and doesn’t make the play. 19 has no excuse. He’s watching the motion instead of his keys and takes a false step which kills him. With a blitzing safety over there this is inexcusable. Even then, make the freaking play. 92 runs up field creating vertical seems in the defense. Again, where is the safety 31?
5) double pullers where nobody attacks the pullers. It depends on how it’s coached with the slot back as to who should (if he's considered a TE). 19 is very timid. Biggest issue for me is 18 has double pullers and just sits there. Backside Lb has to go when you see that! You can’t defend a pulling scheme without following the pullers because they’re creating new gaps and he’s sitting in gaps that don’t exist anymore. And he doesn’t attack the block. Bad.
6) clearly a stunt in here sending 3 upfield exchanging inside responsibility to 19. 19 is out of control— if he hits the puller the play is dead. But the worst is 18. He gets double puller away from him and still follows the sweep. Between 11 and 7 that’s covered. He knows he’s wrong too— look at his reaction.
7) part of how you play zone is that you disrupt the timing of the offense. 18 sees him coming the whole way and just gets beat. 19 is usually playing what’s called a wall technique where your job is to bang the receiver to slow him down. It got on 18 too quick, although if he was faster he could have covered it.
8) 18 has to trigger! Double pullers (turns out the second puller is the new ball carrier) means you have to go, especially when 19 bumps him last second. To me this is on 8. He runs straight up field, doesn’t get hands on the down block which would have led him to the puller and killed the play.
I’ll leave 9 and 10. I remember watching the game it seemed over and over that the effort was just bad away from the play and sometimes where the play was happening. Defense is about effort which covers mistakes. From a scheme POV the DE’s have to attack pullers, and the LB have to flow with the pullers to their new gaps.
1) you’re correct— 11 gets driven, 18 overpursues to try to cover him. Hell of a play by 97 to run flat down the line in his gap and make a play. Stingley loaf.
2) not 8’s fault at all. He gets a down block, gets hands on and squeezes the down block with his eyes up and shoulders square, perfect technique. He’s responsible for the dive, LBs have to flow. 19 gets murdered. Based on the alignment we can see there should be a safety running downhill which appears to be 31 at the very end of the play. Where was that guy? He’s the “alley” player.
3) I think this is actually a solid defensive play against a really tough scheme. 8 has to fight down the line with the puller in front of him. He’s in charge of the dive player usually, so he seems to be correct. 18 sees the read and stays outside despite the read from the double pullers, even fighting off a blocker to do it. Again the safeties are a bit slow.
4) this is bad by a lot of guys against simple outside zone. First thing to notice is the blitzing safety on the back side. At least the DL on his side should be stunting toward the run. 8 has him point blank and doesn’t make the play. 19 has no excuse. He’s watching the motion instead of his keys and takes a false step which kills him. With a blitzing safety over there this is inexcusable. Even then, make the freaking play. 92 runs up field creating vertical seems in the defense. Again, where is the safety 31?
5) double pullers where nobody attacks the pullers. It depends on how it’s coached with the slot back as to who should (if he's considered a TE). 19 is very timid. Biggest issue for me is 18 has double pullers and just sits there. Backside Lb has to go when you see that! You can’t defend a pulling scheme without following the pullers because they’re creating new gaps and he’s sitting in gaps that don’t exist anymore. And he doesn’t attack the block. Bad.
6) clearly a stunt in here sending 3 upfield exchanging inside responsibility to 19. 19 is out of control— if he hits the puller the play is dead. But the worst is 18. He gets double puller away from him and still follows the sweep. Between 11 and 7 that’s covered. He knows he’s wrong too— look at his reaction.
7) part of how you play zone is that you disrupt the timing of the offense. 18 sees him coming the whole way and just gets beat. 19 is usually playing what’s called a wall technique where your job is to bang the receiver to slow him down. It got on 18 too quick, although if he was faster he could have covered it.
8) 18 has to trigger! Double pullers (turns out the second puller is the new ball carrier) means you have to go, especially when 19 bumps him last second. To me this is on 8. He runs straight up field, doesn’t get hands on the down block which would have led him to the puller and killed the play.
I’ll leave 9 and 10. I remember watching the game it seemed over and over that the effort was just bad away from the play and sometimes where the play was happening. Defense is about effort which covers mistakes. From a scheme POV the DE’s have to attack pullers, and the LB have to flow with the pullers to their new gaps.
This post was edited on 10/13/20 at 1:36 pm
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