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Defending the spread option is not some extremely difficult concept
Posted on 10/29/24 at 9:52 am
Posted on 10/29/24 at 9:52 am
LSU did it successfully the week before against Arkansas. Reed from A&M is just a different level. His reads and how late he chose to pull the football were next level plays. We don’t have the personnel to defend at the level against the read option if it is executed at such a high level. South Carolina did a similar thing to our defense when their first string QB was in the game.
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Posted on 10/29/24 at 10:10 am to StatMaster
I would’ve went man to man and blitz everybody else
Posted on 10/29/24 at 10:13 am to StatMaster
That goes to discipline and doing your job. If take both the QB and RB away, it doesn't beat you.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 10:27 am to StatMaster
It’s not difficult at all to defend, but it’s very effective if the defense is not disciplined. There’s many ways to defend it, but the simplest way they teach it in junior high is for the unblocked defensive end to know pre snap he’s taking the QB or taking the RB. That way, the LB or safety knows they have the other guy. It looked like we didn’t know who to take and everyone was guessing each play.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 10:42 am to GeauxLSU4
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It’s not difficult at all to defend, but it’s very effective if the defense is not disciplined. There’s many ways to defend it, but the simplest way they teach it in junior high is for the unblocked defensive end to know pre snap he’s taking the QB or taking the RB. That way, the LB or safety knows they have the other guy. It looked like we didn’t know who to take and everyone was guessing each play.
exactly... we literally taught this in middle school...
Posted on 10/29/24 at 10:50 am to StatMaster
It is easy to defend. 50 years ago I was a DE. The DE always gets the QB and the LB takes the pitch guy. The DL tkes the RB up the middle.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 11:34 am to StatMaster
It's very simple...simple coaching.
For 1, you stop going so far upfield once you realize THEY ARE LEAVING YOU FREE TO READ OFF OF YOU.
Honestly, just stopping and holding your ground is enough for him to read hand-off, which is easy to stop. But NOOO....our damn guys had to be heros and chase the hand-off leaving to read open for him to keep, and humiliate the D.
It was nauseating to watch, since it's simple to stop. Make him throw always. That's his deficiency and why he doesn't start
For 1, you stop going so far upfield once you realize THEY ARE LEAVING YOU FREE TO READ OFF OF YOU.
Honestly, just stopping and holding your ground is enough for him to read hand-off, which is easy to stop. But NOOO....our damn guys had to be heros and chase the hand-off leaving to read open for him to keep, and humiliate the D.
It was nauseating to watch, since it's simple to stop. Make him throw always. That's his deficiency and why he doesn't start
Posted on 10/29/24 at 11:59 am to StatMaster
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Defending the spread option is not some extremely difficult concept
It is if you don't prepare for it. According to quotes from Penn and others, LSU did not practice/prepare for the running QB.
Unacceptable.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 12:06 pm to GeauxLSU4
The DE's were trying to be heros, The linebackers were too slow, the DT's were getting pushed around, and the safeties weren't tackling.
That's how you DONT stop the read option.
That's how you DONT stop the read option.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 12:08 pm to GeauxLSU4
quote:It's not difficult at all to learn how to defend the zone read, but it's not easy to execute that defense. That's why offenses run it.
It’s not difficult at all to defend, but it’s very effective if the defense is not disciplined. There’s many ways to defend it, but the simplest way they teach it in junior high is for the unblocked defensive end to know pre snap he’s taking the QB or taking the RB. That way, the LB or safety knows they have the other guy. It looked like we didn’t know who to take and everyone was guessing each play.
There's typically five offensive linemen against four defensive linemen and two linebackers. That's 5 to block 6 in the defenses favor. The defense has an extra man.
But the offense does not block the backside DE on the zone read.
That leaves five offensive lineman to block the remaining three defensive linemen and two linebackers. Now everyone is blocked except the DE, but he has two potential ball carriers. So, sure, assign the DE to the RB.
Now who has the QB? A LB who has a man assigned to block him.
So saying that the LB has the QB while the LB is also getting blocked is not so easy.
And when the QB is as quick as Reed, you have to have very quick LBs.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 12:11 pm to mikedatyger
quote:C'mon man.
It is if you don't prepare for it. According to quotes from Penn and others, LSU did not practice/prepare for the running QB.
Unacceptable.
The zone read is not exotic. Nearly everyone runs some form of zone read.
It's not some offense that the defense never sees. It's not the triple option.
I have no doubt that the defense practices against the zone read every week.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 12:12 pm to GeauxLSU4
quote:That is literally what we did in high school. I remeber back when my high school played an ATH at QB. Guy was insane. Our HC told the DE to crash on the RB and our rover to crash on the QB. We played them twice that year and beat them by a combined score of 96-12.
It’s not difficult at all to defend, but it’s very effective if the defense is not disciplined. There’s many ways to defend it, but the simplest way they teach it in junior high is for the unblocked defensive end to know pre snap he’s taking the QB or taking the RB. That way, the LB or safety knows they have the other guy. It looked like we didn’t know who to take and everyone was guessing each play.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 12:15 pm to GeauxLSU4
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There’s many ways to defend it, but the simplest way they teach it in junior high is for the unblocked defensive end to know pre snap he’s taking the QB or taking the RB. That way, the LB or safety knows they have the other guy. It looked like we didn’t know who to take and everyone was guessing each play.
Exactly.
Like on one play Jones crashed to take the RB, Weeks ran away from his gap responsibilities and the safeties did the same behind Weeks. On that one particular play were Reed scored a TD it's like the LSU defense had to plan to miss that many run fit responsibilities.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 12:21 pm to Iam_PrinceAkeem
maybe y'all should sign up to coach defense since you all seem to know better
Posted on 10/29/24 at 12:50 pm to StatMaster
if the opposing qb is really good at executing it and has great speed it is extremely hard to defend. Wegman couldn't execute it but Reed made us look silly. Reminded me of 2019 defense vs OM when their qb ran for over 200 against us.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 12:56 pm to StatMaster
What A$M ran with Reed is what a lot of teams run, most teams on our schedule. Hell they ran it with Wegmann too he just ain't as good at running it as Reed.
So the "we weren't prepared for him" comment by Penn is probably right in that they were not prepared for his speed and execution of it, but as for as who should be where and when and why - assignments - they should know all that. They prepare for it nearly every week including the week before as you said - at Arkansas.
So the "we weren't prepared for him" comment by Penn is probably right in that they were not prepared for his speed and execution of it, but as for as who should be where and when and why - assignments - they should know all that. They prepare for it nearly every week including the week before as you said - at Arkansas.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 1:12 pm to Tiger Ugly
The unblocked DE should never, ever go after the RB. But when they do make that play they get such praise for being sooo athletic and fast.
It was 100% lack of discipline & coaching. Savion was garbage! Swinson played it correctly, the 1 time they keyed off of him.
It was 100% lack of discipline & coaching. Savion was garbage! Swinson played it correctly, the 1 time they keyed off of him.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 2:00 pm to GeauxLSU4
This right here. Usually in our 4 man front the DE takes the rb and OLB takes qb.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 2:07 pm to Salviati
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I have no doubt that the defense practices against the zone read every week.
And I would assume a group of coaches like Baker, Peoples, Davis, and Raymond know how to properly defend a middle school concept like read option.
Posted on 10/29/24 at 2:11 pm to Iam_PrinceAkeem
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would’ve went man to man and blitz everybody else
You don’t blitz a quarterback like Reed. You have to be able to pursue and make him cut back into the defense.
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