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re: Dang. Disappointing basketball season.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 10:23 am to geauxtigers33
Posted on 2/21/22 at 10:23 am to geauxtigers33
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I no don’t like the way this team has played in SEC play but they will more than likely a tournament team.
Us being upset about a tournament team in a rebuilding year shows where Wade has brought our expectations. The previous two coaches we were just happy to make the tournament.
And yes I do call only having one returning starter and only 4 total contributors that were also on the team last year a rebuilding year.
It’s hard to get a grasp on just where we are. Wade processes a lot of players and is very active in the transfer thing. He gets big talent and those guys seldom stay three years so there’s even more guys coming and going.
I think our great start raised the bar and as the team came down to earth and with Pinson hurt we started leaking oil.
Personally I was concerned going into the season because I didn’t know what we had. We’re out transplants going to be good, or would they be malcontents? Would we be as bad to defend? We always score.
As it turns out Eason is way better than I thought. Pinson is OK, Reid is no Naz and he isn’t close to a rim protector. Murray is good, Days is Days, Gaines is everything then he’s nothing.
I think we will continue to see flashes of a top contender; however, poor FT shooting, poor ball handling and an inconsistent O will bite us in the butt.
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Posted on 2/21/22 at 10:24 am to Skillet
We play street ball, no plays, no BB IQ. Hopefully overtime they will come together, but as of now they are a bubble team at best, and would lose in either the NIT or NCAA Tourney, they are just way to inconsistent.
You can't out athlete everybody.
You can't out athlete everybody.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 10:31 am to Skillet
I'm not a fan of WWs in-game coaching, offensive philosophy (if there is one), or how he constructs his rosters.
Liking this guy shouldn't be some litmus test for program loyalty. He just isn't a very good or complete coach.
At this point in his tenture there should be little excuse why Wade can't rotate in 8-9 capable guys consistently. It tells you he has failed to develop his players or he just doesn't trust them. I think he relies on 6. Maybe 7 at times.
His teams aren't disciplined. 1-5 can't create their own shots. Having 1, maybe 2 players that can score is not going to win in the SEC.
You need team basketball, not ISO. LSU the past few years seems to have one guy who can create and a bunch of players sitting around looking for second chance points or putbacks.
The way he coaches might work if you're Kentucky with a bunch of 5 star All-Americans. It's not working with the talent we have recruited.
One thing you never see with Wade: consistent low post play. Its just not there. Naz Reid was the closest but somehow he convinced himself he was a point-forward. He wasn't playing on the blocks unless the ball wasn't coming to him of he was on defense.
Just my thoughts.
Liking this guy shouldn't be some litmus test for program loyalty. He just isn't a very good or complete coach.
At this point in his tenture there should be little excuse why Wade can't rotate in 8-9 capable guys consistently. It tells you he has failed to develop his players or he just doesn't trust them. I think he relies on 6. Maybe 7 at times.
His teams aren't disciplined. 1-5 can't create their own shots. Having 1, maybe 2 players that can score is not going to win in the SEC.
You need team basketball, not ISO. LSU the past few years seems to have one guy who can create and a bunch of players sitting around looking for second chance points or putbacks.
The way he coaches might work if you're Kentucky with a bunch of 5 star All-Americans. It's not working with the talent we have recruited.
One thing you never see with Wade: consistent low post play. Its just not there. Naz Reid was the closest but somehow he convinced himself he was a point-forward. He wasn't playing on the blocks unless the ball wasn't coming to him of he was on defense.
Just my thoughts.
This post was edited on 2/21/22 at 10:32 am
Posted on 2/21/22 at 10:34 am to SocraticTiger
Spot on
Posted on 2/21/22 at 10:37 am to SocraticTiger
quote:Basketball is trending towards perimeter play, spacing, and isolation. Sorry if you’re not a fan of this.
I'm not a fan of WWs in-game coaching, offensive philosophy (if there is one),
quote:Well throughout his career at LSU, his team’s average offensive efficiency rankings suggest that it can work.
You need team basketball, not ISO. LSU the past few years seems to have one guy who can create and a bunch of players sitting around looking for second chance points or putbacks.
The way he coaches might work if you're Kentucky with a bunch of 5 star All-Americans. It's not working with the talent we have recruited.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 10:43 am to SocraticTiger
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One thing you never see with Wade: consistent low post play. Its just not there. Naz Reid was the closest but somehow he convinced himself he was a point-forward. He wasn't playing on the blocks unless the ball wasn't coming to him of he was on defense.
Yeah, that was a head scratcher and not very smart of WW for Naz to be playing so far away from the basket. Days should also be playing further inside and not be throwing up errant 3's all the time, but that ain't gonna happen.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 10:46 am to catholictigerfan
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Season isn’t over and we are still likely in the tourney
I think the ceiling is that we sneak into the tournament.
It's less likely to happen than not happen.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 10:47 am to SocraticTiger
Some of those thoughts just aren’t based on reality.
Having 8-9 guys year in year our isn’t realistic on most NCAA teams. Especially after injuries and major roster turnover. Everyone has down years. Auburn was terrible last year. Duke missed the torunament. We are likely going to be a 20
Win team.
That’s recency bias. We lost our top 3 scorers from last years team and then Miller went down. But in years past we had plenty of guys who could score and create their own shots.
Last year Smart, Watford and Thomas could all create their own shots.
I get A lot of those are fair criticisms of this team, but some of those aren’t fair criticism
Of his career at LSU.
He has always done a great job of getting the roster competitive even with major turnover. We’ve won a lot of games every years he’s been here. We’ve qualified for the tournament almost every year since his second year.
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At this point in his tenture there should be little excuse why Wade can't rotate in 8-9 capable guys consistently. It tells you he has failed to develop his players or he just doesn't trust them. I think he relies on 6. Maybe 7 at times.
Having 8-9 guys year in year our isn’t realistic on most NCAA teams. Especially after injuries and major roster turnover. Everyone has down years. Auburn was terrible last year. Duke missed the torunament. We are likely going to be a 20
Win team.
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His teams aren't disciplined. 1-5 can't create their own shots. Having 1, maybe 2 players that can score is not going to win in the SEC.
That’s recency bias. We lost our top 3 scorers from last years team and then Miller went down. But in years past we had plenty of guys who could score and create their own shots.
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You need team basketball, not ISO. LSU the past few years seems to have one guy who can create and a bunch of players sitting around looking for second chance points or putbacks.
Last year Smart, Watford and Thomas could all create their own shots.
I get A lot of those are fair criticisms of this team, but some of those aren’t fair criticism
Of his career at LSU.
He has always done a great job of getting the roster competitive even with major turnover. We’ve won a lot of games every years he’s been here. We’ve qualified for the tournament almost every year since his second year.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 10:49 am to Skillet
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Michigan made that team look stupid in the 2nd round of the tourney, so I don't think those 3 guys except for maybe "No D Cam" were anything special and unreplaceable.
Skillet, you might be happy to know that Juwan Howard could be available soon.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 10:49 am to Tiger1988
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This team will be a 6 seed in the tournament
This team might not make the tourney if they keep playing like they have been. Its very possible they don't win another game.
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can beat any team in the country.
Except bad SEC teams apparently.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 11:01 am to SammyTiger
LSU averaged 1.098 in Offensive efficiency over the last 4 seasons prior to this one, a season which has seen our defensive efficiency skyrocket.
Rankings
34
28
4
10
All of this with different lineups, none with 8-9 consistent “offensive guys”. I think I’ll hold off on saying Wade’s style of offense doesn’t work.
Rankings
34
28
4
10
All of this with different lineups, none with 8-9 consistent “offensive guys”. I think I’ll hold off on saying Wade’s style of offense doesn’t work.
This post was edited on 2/21/22 at 11:02 am
Posted on 2/21/22 at 11:14 am to doubleb
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It’s hard to get a grasp on just where we are. Wade processes a lot of players and is very active in the transfer thing. He gets big talent and those guys seldom stay three years so there’s even more guys coming and going.
I think our great start raised the bar and as the team came down to earth and with Pinson hurt we started leaking oil.
Personally I was concerned going into the season because I didn’t know what we had. We’re out transplants going to be good, or would they be malcontents? Would we be as bad to defend? We always score.
As it turns out Eason is way better than I thought. Pinson is OK, Reid is no Naz and he isn’t close to a rim protector. Murray is good, Days is Days, Gaines is everything then he’s nothing.
I think we will continue to see flashes of a top contender; however, poor FT shooting, poor ball handling and an inconsistent O will bite us in the butt.
What happened is that the 12-0 start, against what is going to turn out to be Wade's weakest NC schedule, got everyone (understandably) excited and significantly raised expectations to levels far higher than they were in the preseason. Most journalist, experts, etc picked LSU to finish 6th or 7th in what was (and has been) a strong and balanced SEC. Many of those predictions were BEFORE Miller was lost for the season. Many of the preseason "bracketologies" had LSU as a 7-9 seed in the NCAAT...which is exactly where they are trending now. The regression has just been harder to swallow because the start was a bit of fool's gold to the casual fan. If you looked at the data you could see there was reason to be a bit hesitant of the team given the offensive numbers were bad and continued to trend downward even though LSU continued to win games.
This season has been a complete reversal of the past 2-3 years. LSU has been great on defense and terrible offensively. That has led to stupid "analysis" stating that "Wade's teams have always been bad offensively." The fact is that is completely wrong. This is the worst offensive team he has had at LSU...by a long shot. Unfortunately, that is just "confirming" the prior incorrect opinions many had of Wade's teams. Even in the last two seasons every loss was followed with a apoplectic melt down about how bad the offense was even though it was clear to anyone willing to pay attention that the defense was the HUGE issue.
The biggest critique of Wade's teams are that they have consistently been terribly imbalanced. Look at past champions and teams having the highest levels of success. You'll see the vast majority of them are top 20 defensive teams AND top 40 offensive teams. Wade's last 3 teams have been extremely polarized. The last two years they were great offensively and terrible defensively. This year is the complete opposite.
Wade has done a good job here. I sincerely hope the admin extends him. He has very much earned it relative to the 30 years of complete inconsistency that was the LSU program prior to his arrival. But if he wants to take the step from good to great he has to find away to achieve balance.
If nothing else, Wade has proved everyone wrong this year who thought he did not care about defense (myself included). Now, he has to find a way to mesh good play on both ends of the floor.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 11:24 am to Alt26
I don’t think the 13-0 start was fools gold. We did start out in Sec play beating Tennessee and Kentucky. We were playing legitimately well.
It sucks how bad losing Pinson was, but it really was a domino effect.
It sucks how bad losing Pinson was, but it really was a domino effect.
This post was edited on 2/21/22 at 11:52 am
Posted on 2/21/22 at 11:41 am to SammyTiger
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but it really was a domino effect.
Yep that knocked the team off of any momentum we had going then we haven't really be able to get it back yet. Hopefully we can find a groove here like last years team did towards the end of the season.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 12:26 pm to SammyTiger
We beat both of those teams early in the season, at home. Both teams have improved dramatically since then. I think you will find that out Wed.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 12:40 pm to Ethan Martin
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We play street ball, no plays,
I stopped reading right here.
While the offense isnt clicking right now, to say there is no offensive plays and we play street ball makes me wonder what some of yall are watching.
We run multiple sets, usually to create a mismatch we try to take advantage of.
You may not like that philosophy, but some of yall act like we should be running 4 corners or a flex offense which are extremely outdated.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 1:12 pm to Alt26
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What happened is that the 12-0 start, against what is going to turn out to be Wade's weakest NC schedule, got everyone (understandably) excited and significantly raised expectations to levels far higher than they were in the preseason
It wasn’t just the 12-0 start, it was also the early wins over Ky. Florida and Tenn. and a respectable showing at Auburn. There were legitimate reasons to be optimistic and to raise expectations.
This post was edited on 2/21/22 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 2/21/22 at 1:29 pm to rutiger
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While the offense isnt clicking right now, to say there is no offensive plays and we play street ball makes me wonder what some of yall are watching.
We run multiple sets, usually to create a mismatch we try to take advantage of.
The fact the execution is so poor that it looks like absolute chaos (aka street ball) should fall at the coach's feet then.
This post was edited on 2/21/22 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 2/21/22 at 1:45 pm to rutiger
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We run multiple sets, usually to create a mismatch we try to take advantage of.
well coached teams use passes to get mismatches and open shots. we are a terrible passing team and generally just allow a guard or Eason to dribble and drive...and we aren't very good at dribbling. We also charge a shite ton bc our guys are out of control when driving to the basket.
Posted on 2/21/22 at 1:52 pm to SocraticTiger
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The fact the execution is so poor that it looks like absolute chaos (aka street ball) should fall at the coach's feet then.
The street ball evolves from ragged play in our transition game. We steal the ball, race down court, lose the ball and our opponent turns it into points. Poor passing on the break is a big flaw. Too much mustard gets us into trouble. We try too many highlight plays.
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