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re: Dan Quinn's comments about Jayden Daniels has me feeling good about LSU QB' going forward

Posted on 8/5/24 at 9:35 am to
Posted by skullhawk
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Posted on 8/5/24 at 9:35 am to
Jayden's progression from year 1 to year 2 got Mike Denbrock millions and has set Joe Sloan on a path to being a head coach in the next few years.

It was a massive leap forward. Kudos to JD and his coaches.
Posted by KennesawTiger
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Posted on 8/5/24 at 9:39 am to
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Go watch Caskey’s Clicker of the Tennessee game breakdown. Jayden would not throw the ball downfield unless a receiver was wide open.


Due to indecisiveness and lack of trust , not due to his inability to read the defense. I don't need to watch some NPC over explain this to me.

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He had no throw anticipation and was not a good QB his first year.


The potential to be good was always there. If you have a trained eye you could have seen it. Most rantards don't have said trained eye. That's whats really hard for people to admit.
Posted by OliverTwist225
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 8/5/24 at 10:00 am to
If he leads us to a National Title you would think that would put him in the drivers seat like Burrow for the Heisman.
Posted by Gings5
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 8/5/24 at 10:05 am to
Yeah because you know the reason

Idiots out in full force on this board today.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
45982 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 10:06 am to
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Remember the rant said he couldn’t read a defense ?

my complaint was that he would not throw into tight coverage - deadly afraid of an interception.

When he finally started trusting his accuracy and hitting his receivers and giving them a chance to show off their skills - it finally clicked and he became unstoppable - if you DID manage to blanket all the receivers, he just ran the ball for 40+ yards.

What a talent!!!! = assisted by an offensive lineup that will be a long time repeating.
Posted by KennesawTiger
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 8/5/24 at 10:08 am to
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Idiots out in full force on this board today.


You're here, aren't you

Your post history is full of idiocy.
This post was edited on 8/5/24 at 10:09 am
Posted by Gings5
Member since Jul 2016
9333 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 10:11 am to
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Your post history is full of idiocy.

Your last two topics have 100+ combined downvotes. How ironic
This post was edited on 8/5/24 at 10:18 am
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
46691 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 10:42 am to
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I mean he struggled with that at times early in his career at LSU.

How do you know? Maybe the struggle was that receivers were making wrong reads.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 8/5/24 at 10:52 am to
I said it at the time, but I dont think his issue was every reading defenses or going through his progressions.

He usually threw to the right guy but he was always behind.

And that was because he wasn’t playing with confidence. His hesitation would cause him to be late on timing routes, and deep routes he jsut wouldn’t pull the trigger and they’d outrun his arm or he’d bale because he felt nervous in the pocket.

but he had 68.6% completion rate and only 3 int. you don’t do that throwing to the wrong guy. He just wouldn’t throw the deep ball and he killed all his catch and run opportunities by
making the WR have the adjust to the ball.


This is maybe my best TD take of all time, but i said before last season he was insanely close to being video game player good if he could just let it rip.
Posted by Defiler
Member since Jul 2024
422 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 10:56 am to
The rant knows football baw
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
13257 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 11:01 am to
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How do you know? Maybe the struggle was that receivers were making wrong reads.

I remember Hester breaking down film of him missing wide open receivers.
Posted by Tigerfan14
Member since Jun 2014
1436 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 11:07 am to
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This narrative always chuckled me because if you think he was awful at reading defenses then he would’ve had the turnovers to match Jayden’s first year was objectively good, he just turned it into a legendary 2nd year by trusting the ability of his receivers/improving his accuracy.


This is all off. He improved his accuracy down field a lot in year 2, but he was never that inaccurate. His issue was his anticipation and vision. He waited until receivers were wide open, then threw it to where they were, not where they were going. It killed the YAC opportunity and limited the passing game. He didn’t have turnovers because he only threw the ball when a receiver was wide open. Kelly literally said the staff was questioning if he was the guy after the Tenn game and was publicly calling for him to not worry about not turning the ball over.
Posted by Tigershine
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2015
1728 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 11:14 am to
Do you not remember Kelly getting all over on him about not throwing it long to a wide open receiver? I remember this a few times in 2022.
Posted by Hook Em Horns
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 8/5/24 at 11:17 am to
Obviously, sloan is the real deal. To someone who just randomly watched LSU games jadens first year at lsu, to who watched him last year, the progress he made is astronomical. If you cant see that, then i dont know what to tell you. Sloan is worth his weight in gold. He had a qb that went from undraftable, to 2nd pick, heisman winner. Thats crazy progress in 1 year. Yall better hold onto sloan, cause its obvious hes a great coach. If i was sark, id be gunning for sloan to come to texas. Sloan and sark would be a dangerous combination.

But kudos to LSU. Its obvious yall got the realk deal in the qb coaching room.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
16890 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 11:17 am to
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Go watch Caskey’s Clicker of the Tennessee game breakdown. Jayden would not throw the ball downfield unless a receiver was wide open. He had no throw anticipation and was not a good QB his first year. I’m unsure why this is so hard for many to admit.

He was night and day between his first two years here.


I don't think that's because he couldn't read a defense. He was just too nervous to turn it over and wouldn't throw the anticipatory throws. It was a comfort thing and an issue with trusting his own abilities.

And he was a good QB his first year. He wasn't great, but he was good.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28043 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 12:44 pm to
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Remember the rant said he couldn’t read a defense ?
That or process fast enough. They always considered him a one read QB. The problem isn't saying that, although it was mostly BS, the problem i had is fools who said he could NEVER improve. I thought that was a completley ignorant thing to say. Are we forgetting that players improve even in the NFL? Sure he played several years, but if you paid attention to anything, those weren't just straight up in an environment conducive to developing.

He had to start as a true freshman. Then instead of getting the development he needed in the offseason, covid happened and screwed everybody up. Then he only got to play 4 games that season giving him little year two devlopment overall. in his 3rd year he was dealing with new receivers, a new coordinator, off the field crap in the coaching staff, and just forced some passes. He gets to LSU the next year and has to rework mechanics and play behind an awful offensive line. Throwing the interceptions the year prior at ASU made him way more careful with ball, basically to a detriment.

Adapting to the SEC was also a different beast and regardless of what people say, Daniels had to pretty much win games or stay in games on his own at times. That damn FSU game in 2022, we were only in it because of him. Terrible snapping problems, half second blocking, Boutte dropping TD passes, fumbling issues galore on special teams and wrong assignments on kicks was just too much to overcome. He had a couple bad games that season to be sure, but the hate and vitriol he got was insane considering what he did do as a first time starter in the SEC with a patchwork team around him. The man had 3800 yards and 29 TDs from scrimmage in about 11.5 games year one for Godsakes. He had a TOTAL of 6 turnovers. The man improved immensely in one offseason while at the same time still limiting his turnovers (5 turnovers in 2023).
This post was edited on 8/5/24 at 12:58 pm
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28043 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 12:51 pm to
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Impossible logic for the rant. Never mind the fact that he went from a 4th year player that would’ve been lucky to get drafted to a Heisman and #2 overall pick. You can also ignore the dozens of articles of him and his coaches talking about how much of a jump he made on the mental side of the game going into year 5. He was always the same player, some people were just rantards and couldn’t see it.
He wasn't horrible at reading defenses though. He wasn't great, but he wasnt horrible either. His big problem was not trusting himself or the receiver to make the play. From the offseason on up past the draft, him and his receivers were attached to the hip. You'd always see them in pictures or on video hanging out or practicing together.
This post was edited on 8/5/24 at 12:58 pm
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
16528 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 12:51 pm to
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Jayden’s first year was objectively good, he just turned it into a legendary 2nd year by trusting the ability of his receivers/improving his accuracy.


Hell, there were a lot of posts on this forum about Burrow holding on to the ball too long in 2018 and Jayden's passing numbers his junior year were very comparable if not better than Burrows. So yes, his junior numbers were objectively good as you say, and he got better his senior year.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28043 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 12:55 pm to
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Go watch Caskey’s Clicker of the Tennessee game breakdown. Jayden would not throw the ball downfield unless a receiver was wide open. He had no throw anticipation and was not a good QB his first year. I’m unsure why this is so hard for many to admit.

He was night and day between his first two years here.
How are you saying it yet still not understanding it?

The man could read the defense, but was hesitant to throw it. In case yall forget, he had a 10 TD 10 int season the year prior and was in a new environment with a new scheme and all new players. Chemistry to trust those guys was the problem.im not saying he was great at reading defenses, what i am saying is that he was good enough, but his hesitancy made it look worse than what it actually was.
This post was edited on 8/5/24 at 12:59 pm
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
74939 posts
Posted on 8/5/24 at 1:18 pm to
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How do you know? Maybe the struggle was that receivers were making wrong reads.


Do we really even exist, or are we a figment of someones imagination only sticking around until they wake up? Assumptions have to be made at some point.
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