re: Crowton with a real QB

Posted by Kreg Jennings

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Posted on 12/20/10 at 12:06 am to YouthInAsia

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Flynn had the advantage of having Jimbo Fisher for several years coaching and developing him.

this

Posted by Kreg Jennings

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Posted on 12/20/10 at 12:08 am to Kreg Jennings

Crowton got Flynn as a 5th year SR who had been coached up by Jimbo...

Jimbo developed:

Rohan Davey
Josh Booty (when he felt like being coached...still made 1st Team All SEC)
Matt Mauck
JaMarcus Russell
Matt Flynn

Track record speaks for itself

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Posted by Roaad

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Posted on 12/20/10 at 12:13 am to Kreg Jennings

And we still lost twice with him

Posted by tduecen

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Posted on 12/20/10 at 12:33 am to therocketscientist

Flynn 1 year in Crowton Offense
Jefferson 3 years in Crowton Offense
Lee 4 years in Crowton Offense

The less you know about it the better you are

Posted by carrell

Austin TX

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Posted on 12/20/10 at 12:47 am to therocketscientist

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therocketscientist
JJ's issues are way beyond coaching. He is a very poor passing QB. Period.

Lee sucked in his freshman campaign and has never been given any real chance since, so he has not had the first team reps/etc to develop.

Either way, Crowton has not had a chance to succeed. Am I happy with what he has done, not really, but he has had horrid QB play since Flynn left campus. Period

Wow ItDoesn'tTake. How do you figure Scrowton hasn't had a chance to succeed. As has been pointed out more than once, he *is* the QB coach. Don't you think he has some voice in who gets recruited? Don't you think he has some voice in who plays (do you really think JJ would be on the field with out Scrowton's blessings)? Don't you think he can coach-up either of these guys?

Posted by NC_Tigah

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Posted on 12/20/10 at 1:04 am to therocketscientist

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Crowton with a real QB
He has had a real QB for 1 of his 4 seasons.

An assistant college football coach being paid $900,000.00/yr damn well should be able to design his offense around the talent rather than forcing talent into his design. We have the #1 rated dual threat QB in the country on the roster. We never used him effectively as a triple option spread QB. We've never been able to teach JJ to run appropriate reads in the spread option, yet we keep running it. We run plays that don't work --- JJ in the the pistol option, and don't run plays that do --- spot pass to TT, quick slants to TT/RR etc. Crowton has underperformed.

This post was edited on 12/20/10 at 1:20 am

Posted by DONHOGG

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Posted on 12/20/10 at 1:11 am to NC_Tigah

What did RP do that was so great. All you keep seeing is if RP would have been here. If he is the saviour that left, why isn't he in the NFL having a All Pro year? He may have been a little better than what we have had but I don't think he was that great either.

Posted by la_birdman

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Posted on 12/20/10 at 2:27 am to Roaad

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And we still lost twice with him

So you're saying that JJ is just as good because we lost 2 games this year with him, too?

Posted by LSUintheNW

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Posted on 12/20/10 at 3:37 am to tduecen

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The less you know about it the better you are

that and being a senior qb developed by someone else. His only recent success is with seniors developed by another coach.

Posted by ztraveler

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Posted on 12/20/10 at 9:59 am to LSUintheNW

What part of Crowton's year after year declining productivity...DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND

1999 Bears Team offensive ranking 26th Crowton OC 6-10
2000 Bears Team offensive ranking 28th Crowton OC 5-12
2001 Bears Team offensive ranking 11th with John Schoop as OC
(not Crowton) 2001 the Bears went 13-3

2001 BYU - 618 Points scored in 14 games. Crowton's 1st year. 12-2
2002 BYU - 272 Points scored in 12 games. Crowton's 2nd year. 5-7
2003 BYU - 196 Points scored in 12 games. Crowton's 3rd year. 4-8
2004 BYU - 267 Points scored in 11 games. Crowton's 4th year. 5-6
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2005 BYU - 396 Points scored in 12 games. 1st year w/o Crowton. 6-6
2006 BYU - 478 Points scored in 13 games. 2nd year w/o Crowton. 11-2

2005 Oregon - 414 Points scored in 12 games. Crowton's 1st year. 10-2
2006 Oregon - 383 Points scored in 13 games. Crowton's 2nd year. 7-6
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2007 Oregon - 496 Points scored in 13 games. 1st year w/o Crowton. 9-4
2008 Oregon - 545 Points scored in 13 games. 2nd year w/o Crowton. 10-3

2007 LSU - 541 Points scored in 14 games. Crowton's 1st year. 12-2
2008 LSU - 402 Points scored in 13 games. Crowton's 2nd year. 8-5
2009 LSU - 323 Points scored in 13 games. Crowton's 3rd year. 9-4
2010 LSU - 313 points scored in 12 games Crowton’s 4th year.
(7 passing TDs - 1 a HB pass, 27 rushing TDs, 31 XPs, 26 FGM)

Posted by aglandry

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Posted on 12/20/10 at 10:06 am to rjokerlsu

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How many times has this board had this discussion? This is getting old--but one more time, Crowton has had plenty of time, 4 years, only one good year, the very first, when he inherited a 5th year QB he did not develop. He is supposed to develop QB's & call plays. He has done both very poorly & it is time for him to go. Hopefully, Les will take care of business & get a new OC after the Cotton Bowl.

Don't forget "Stud the Dud." We had one good O-Line(2007) that had been coached by Searles and since then our O-Line with "Stud" has been downhill for the most part.Just look at Auburn and Oregon and see what an O-Line can do for a team.Newton's O-Line gives him enough time that he could read a book. Oregon's O-Line opens holes that you could drive a truck through.

This post was edited on 12/20/10 at 10:17 am

Posted by BT

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Posted on 12/20/10 at 10:07 am to josh336

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So, as long as we can keep getting QBs that get the proper coaching before they get to Crowton, we'll be fine?

Posted by BT

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Posted on 12/20/10 at 10:08 am to TheDoc

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The offense that was run in 2007 was different from what was run 2008-2010.

I wonder why?

Posted by BT

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Posted on 12/20/10 at 10:09 am to therocketscientist

quote:
JJ's issues are way beyond coaching. He is a very poor passing QB. Period.

fact

quote:
Lee sucked in his freshman campaign and has never been given any real chance since, so he has not had the first team reps/etc to develop

this is another fact

quote:
Either way, Crowton has not had a chance to succeed. Am I happy with what he has done, not really, but he has had horrid QB play since Flynn left campus. Period.

and this, while mainly an opinion is a true one.

Posted by dos crystal

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Posted on 12/20/10 at 10:19 am to Kreg Jennings

quote:
Crowton got Flynn as a 5th year SR who had been coached up by Jimbo...

Jimbo developed:

Rohan Davey
Josh Booty (when he felt like being coached...still made 1st Team All SEC)
Matt Mauck
JaMarcus Russell
Matt Flynn

Track record speaks for itself

see, this works both ways.

qb's jimbo didn't develop

Rick clausen
Marcus Randal
Xavier Lee
Drew weatherford
e.j. manuel

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Posted by BT

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Posted on 12/20/10 at 10:20 am to dos crystal

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dos crystal

how does the dynamite go?

Posted by TheDoc

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Posted on 12/20/10 at 10:21 am to BT

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I wonder why?

Implemented his offense in 2008-2010

Also, Gary has been on campus since Jan 2007...

Why hasn't he recruited and/or developed a QB?

Posted by Hotlanta Tigerbot

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Posted on 12/20/10 at 10:23 am to BT

I think I agree that the coach is responsible to 'coach up' a player, that said I'd like to see Crowton and Mett for a season...

What funny is that the QB is 1 position on the field...but let's look at other coaches who are also suppose to 'coach up' their players...

Jai Eugene. Was he coached up ?
Al Woods. Was he coached up ?
Chris Davenport. is he being coached up?

A few examples...but the point is....that players ARE coached up, but some just won't perform as expected (as coached up)

So when the QB play suffers, the coach is much more liable bc there is only one posision on the field, the coach who failed coaching up Woods can point to Nevis, and so on...

So I don't put a lot of stock in the idea that with 'proper" coaching , then JJ and JL would be much better.....maybe? Yes, but probably not.....some players GET the coaching, but still fail....it's just more glaring at QB