re: Crowton with a real QB

some of these dudes didnt like that at all,,, and at this very moment that are trying hard as they possibly fricking can, to come up with some sort of logical rebutttt butttt butt al.

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some of these dudes didnt like that at all,,, and at this very moment that are trying hard as they possibly fricking can, to come up with some sort of logical rebutttt butttt butt al.

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i know. it's not that i'm a g.c. fan, i just get tired of hearing the silly development angle. for every coach you say "developed" a player, i can show you just as many he didn't. if you believe it's the coaches that make the player, then you have to think why couldn't curley make another favre? warner got better coaching in arena football? flaco got the best coaching at delaware? big ben, miami of ohio? on and on and on.

if it's jimbo, then what happen to rick clausen, what happened to randal, weatherford, lee, manuel?

why isn't gilbert as good as mccoy? coached by the same guy.

I remember everyone jumping all over mike d. comments about al woods not being "developed". he was going to get the good coaching at the saints to bring out his talent. well, saints had to cut him.

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People tend to forget the fact that our QB play in 2007 wasn't exactly off the charts either due to the fact that we won the BCSNC. Look at Flynn's numbers

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oh the irony. "forget". you forgot doucet got injured. brandon lafel was benched for dropping balls. flynn was down to a first year player, byrd as his go to guy.

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Crowton could have Brett Favre, Joe montana, Archie Manning, he still screws it up.

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Damn right.
Come to think of it, Curly Hallman had Brett Favre and developed him into a great QB. Let's fire Crowton and hire Curly Hallman!

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oh the irony. "forget". you forgot doucet got injured. brandon lafel was benched for dropping balls. flynn was down to a first year player, byrd as his go to guy.

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Doucet played in 10 of the 14 games. Lafell was our 2nd leading WR. And we had 225 YPG rushing that year and we still only completed 56% of our passes. So yeah, I would say as a whole that our QB play under GC that first year was still not too stellar.

First of all, I am not a fan of Crowton either, but he has had dog shite to work with the last 3 years. If you disagree, then so be it, but tell me what you thjink could have been done, not just flame and "yeah but" your rebuttal. Provide something to base it on. The central part of my post is that IN THE LAST 3 YEARS, CROWTON HAS HAD VERY POOR QB's TO WORK WITH. How can you possibly disagree with that?

"QB development", huh?

Lee: He was in way over his head as a freshman and was scarred beyond devewlopment. That was more Miles fault than Crowton's. Miles had to play and scar a QB against SEC defenses. He never recovered. Walsh could not have fixed him, especiallu the way Miles threw him under the bus and never had any confidence in him, and then never gave him a real chance to win the job or get 1st string reps in practice. THAT WAS MILES' DOING, dumba arses. Not Crowton's.

JJ: You have your head in the ground if you think someone could have developed JJ into a good QB. He has had a every chance imaginable and is still a poor QB. He stares down his recievers 90% of the time, is a very slow decision maker, has poor pocket passing presence, and the slowest release I have ever seen by an LSU QB.

Do you disagree these are his issues? If so, provide some fricken evidence to back it up. Please.

How do you propose development of that combination of issues?

Come on smart arses, provide some real analysis and rebuttal. Don't change the topic or flame, tell me how Crowton had a chance the last 3 years.

Again, I would prefer a different OC also, but I am just stating a fact that Miles insisted on JJ as the QB, and JJ only, and he was not "developable" as you suggest.

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see, this works both ways.

qb's jimbo didn't develop

Rick clausen

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Clausen played two years at LSU (Redshirt and Redshirt Freshman) and was third string.

In 2001, Rohan Davey was 2nd team All-SEC.

In 2002, Mauck and Randal started at QB.

To argue that Jimbo failed to "develop" Clausen, is like arguing that Jimbo failed to develop Jamarcus Russell because he wasn't any good until his sophomore year.

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Marcus Randal

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He wasn't great, but was serviceable considering he was a career backup. Not to mention that improved during his career. And again, he played behind Matt Mauck and Russell.

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Xavier Lee

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Was a Redshirt Junior when Fisher got there and only played one season under Fisher. Ironically, has his best statistically season under Fisher.

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Drew weatherford

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Only really played one season under Fisher in 2007 and a statically solid season. He was benched in favor of the guy that Fisher developed as a Freshman - Ponder - in 2008.

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e.j. manuel

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He's going to be a junior and has played behind Ponder for two seasons.

So, according to you, Fisher "failed to develop" a third string R.S Freshman, a guy that played one year in his system as a back-up, a guy that had a solid junior season and was benched as senior because on the guys Fisher developed was better, and a will-be junior whose backed up the all-ACC QB for two years.



Why don't you compare QB productivity under each coach since 2001? That ought to be interesting.

Anyone debating GC's ability to develop QBs better than Jimbo's ability to develop QBs is involved in a losing argument. And there are examples to prove it.

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seriously?

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yes seriously. see the original statment by the poster.

Jimbo developed:

Rohan Davey
Josh Booty (when he felt like being coached...still made 1st Team All SEC)
Matt Mauck
JaMarcus Russell
Matt Flynn

Track record speaks for itself

so, according to you can't blame jimbo for "Lee for 1 year, weatherford for 2."

however, the original message gave him credit for Josh booty and rohan davey over the same amount of time?

which is it? isn't that a double standard? why does it work one way and not the other?

This makes no sense. so it's the player that failed if they didn't develop under jimbo ("when booty felt like being coached, clausen and randal wasn't talented enough.

yet it's gary crowton and not a lack of ability with jefferson or lee. no one is mentioning ryan p. who coached him to m.v.p. in the s.e.c. championship game? was it g.c. coaching for the first three years that helped dennis dixon in his senior season since it was jimbo that helped flynn in his senior season?

these things work both ways.