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Posted on 12/20/10 at 2:13 pm to therocketscientist
well, im sure they dont just hang out at bogeys all day. im sure they run through drills. how many different ways can you teach a 3 step drop?
at some point, it has to translate to the field. and it hasn't for some reason.
at some point, it has to translate to the field. and it hasn't for some reason.
Posted on 12/20/10 at 2:13 pm to Roaad
Did someone reveal that to you in adream?
Posted on 12/20/10 at 2:13 pm to Roaad
quote:
LSU with JJ. . . .2 losses
LSU with REAL QB. . .2 losses
I get the feeling the problem lies elsewhere.
yep, bobby petrino needs to be fired.
Posted on 12/20/10 at 2:15 pm to Roaad
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I am saying the problem is not who is at QB. . .but who coaches the QB and calls plays
So you think that any good HS QB can become a solid SEC QB?
There are no exceptions?
It is not plausible to you that JJ falls into this category?
After watching every snap of his career multiple times, and seeing regression and his intrinsic deficiencies over a proatracted period of time, despite being given every chance plus some over his Sophomore and Junior years, and despite the coaches nurturing his confidence incessantly, and catering the playbook to his strengths and the plays he is most comfortable running, I just cannot agree that Crowton or any other QB/OC could have developed him to be better.
This post was edited on 12/20/10 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 12/20/10 at 2:19 pm to therocketscientist
Ease up on the logic guys.
Posted on 12/20/10 at 2:26 pm to therocketscientist
So what happened with Chris Todd and Jonathan Crompton? Did a magic light just come on and they became competent SEC qbs for their senior seasons?
Posted on 12/20/10 at 2:37 pm to corndeaux
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Chris Todd and Jonathan Crompton?
What were their weaknesses? What changes did you see in their performance? I did not follow thm to know what you are saying.
Posted on 12/20/10 at 2:50 pm to therocketscientist
Those guys were garbage before the 09 season. During the 09 season, they became competent starters in the SEC. What changed for them?
These guys were just as bad as Jefferson/Lee have been and showed little to live up to their school boy hype. In 09 they both got new OCS. Gus Malzhan and Kiffin/Cheney were able to squeeze water from a stone with these guys.
Why shouldn't the Tigers get someone new to try and make Jefferson/Lee better? Clearly whatever Crowton is trying isn't working.
These guys were just as bad as Jefferson/Lee have been and showed little to live up to their school boy hype. In 09 they both got new OCS. Gus Malzhan and Kiffin/Cheney were able to squeeze water from a stone with these guys.
Why shouldn't the Tigers get someone new to try and make Jefferson/Lee better? Clearly whatever Crowton is trying isn't working.
Posted on 12/20/10 at 2:54 pm to corndeaux
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Why shouldn't the Tigers get someone new to try and make Jefferson/Lee better? Clearly whatever Crowton is trying isn't working.
I am 100% in favor of a new OC. Nothing in my post said to keep Crowton. My point is that he has had nothing to work with over the last 3 years. The one year he did have a valid QB in Flynn, offensive production was FAR from an issue for the LSU offense. As such, it is simple logic to state that he cannot be fully judged based on the last 3 years, because LSU has not had QB's worthy of an SEC start. Period.
Posted on 12/20/10 at 2:58 pm to therocketscientist
quote:No.
So you think that any good HS QB can become a solid SEC QB?
quote:Sure.
It is not plausible to you that JJ falls into this category?
We don't have an SEC on the 2010 roster.
Flynn was considerably better than JJ.
And yet we still lost twice.
Posted on 12/20/10 at 3:02 pm to therocketscientist
quote:
As such, it is simple logic to state that he cannot be fully judged based on the last 3 years,
Sure, but we're judging him on more than just his 4 years at LSU. His past failures/regressions are pretty well documented.
Posted on 12/20/10 at 3:04 pm to therocketscientist
I agree that Jefferson/Lee are not even mediocre options at qb. But I disagree that Crowton can't be judged on his work the past three years.
His job is to put players in the position to be successful. He has failed miserably the last couple of years. He has not done anything here to warrant another year as OC, regardless of the talent at the qb position.
His job is to put players in the position to be successful. He has failed miserably the last couple of years. He has not done anything here to warrant another year as OC, regardless of the talent at the qb position.
Posted on 12/20/10 at 3:26 pm to etm512
quote:
Sure, but we're judging him on more than just his 4 years at LSU. His past failures/regressions are pretty well documented.
Finally, someone makes a good point. Yes, this has been stated by many, and the trend is valid. Other than at LSU, I am not aware enough of the QB and offensive line and the other factors involved in this seemingly valid regression trend. At LSU, I am aware of the factors involved, and he has clearly NOT had reasonable QB options to have a really fair shake.
All that being said, I do agree that his calling of the option in the early part of the season was poor, and that he could have found a quicker and better way to get something out of the QB position. I'd like him gone also, but it is plausible that with an average SEC QB that we could have seen a vastly different LSU offense in 2010, and I really think with Metterberger that if he stays on board, that the LSU offense will be substantially better in 2011 with or without Crowton. Problem is, CLM will likely keep JJ at the helm regardless of what Mett does, which is the real sad news.
Posted on 12/20/10 at 3:31 pm to corndeaux
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So what happened with Chris Todd and Jonathan Crompton?
you do realize that Au went 3-5 in the s.e.c. his senior year. took a last second t.d. at lsu from being shut out.
Posted on 12/20/10 at 3:33 pm to therocketscientist
quote:
So you think that any good HS QB can become a solid SEC QB?
There are no exceptions?
It is not plausible to you that JJ falls into this category?
Other people who fall in this category:
Jarrett Lee
Dennis Dixon (at least until Crowton left; then the light must have magically come on)
John Beck (at least until Crowton left; then the light must have magically come on)
Posted on 12/20/10 at 3:36 pm to corndeaux
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Those guys were garbage before the 09 season. During the 09 season, they became competent starters in the SEC. What changed for them?
Chris Todd is the perfect example of a good offensive coordinator playing around bad talent. Todd is complete garbage and Malzahn still had a top 20 offense.
Todd is an inferior QB to both Jefferson and Lee.
Of course, Crowton isn't qualified to hold Malzahn's jock strap.
Posted on 12/20/10 at 3:36 pm to dos crystal
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you do realize that Au went 3-5 in the s.e.c. his senior year. took a last second t.d. at lsu from being shut out.
You do realize that he dramatically improved from his Jr year to his Sr year under the tutelage of a new OC?
Posted on 12/20/10 at 3:37 pm to therocketscientist
quote:
The one year he did have a valid QB in Flynn, offensive production was FAR from an issue for the LSU offense. As such, it is simple logic to state that he cannot be fully judged based on the last 3 years, because LSU has not had QB's worthy of an SEC start. Period.
Again, this is true if you ignore the fact that he was using a playbook not his own in a scheme not his own.
And why stop at the last four year? Why not look at his past coaching career? Oh, because it paints a very, very poor picture of Gary Crowton.
Posted on 12/20/10 at 3:59 pm to therocketscientist
Stay Calm guys, Mett will likely see the field next year unless JJ gets hurt. No way Les plays a better qb over JJ. 
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