re: Crowton with a real QB

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He has had a real QB for 1 of his 4 seasons. Flynn is that real QB. Crowton has not had a chance since then because Lee and JJ are vastly inferior QB's.

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You idiots who attempt to somehow defend Gary Crowton do not help your case with this argument. If he had such shitty QBs the past 3 years as you claim, and forgetting the fact that he's, ya know, the QB coach, why did he not adjust his scheme to be less reliant on them?

It just proves he is an incompetent offensive coordinator who is holding back the whole football program. He has been consistent in fielding shitty offenses after one good year. I still don't understand why any LSU fan would defend Crowton. He brings nothing positive to this program.

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Doucet played in 10 of the 14 games. Lafell was our 2nd leading WR. And we had 225 YPG rushing that year and we still only completed 56% of our passes. So yeah, I would say as a whole that our QB play under GC that first year was still not too stellar.

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so doucet not playing in four games and having to play injured, lafel being benched for drops, and byrd being a first year player HAD NO AFFECT ON HIS STATS?

do you not remember flynn hitting lafell on a bomb against au? lafell bobbled the ball three or four times, tossing it up in the air for Au to get an int.? lafell was BENCHED BECAUSE HE COULD NOT CATCH THE BALL. FACT.

flynn's comp %, yards, and int's were all influenced by the FACT of doucet being injured, B.L poor play, and D byrd being a first year player.

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THEY ARE IN THE SAME DAMN CLASS. THEY HAVE HAD THE SAME DEVELOPMENT OR LACK THERE OF. I'M COMPARING APPLES TO APPLES. (by the way, e.j. manuel was the #1 QB IN HIS CLASS.) SO IF YOU HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER YEAR FOR E.J., THEN YOU HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER YEAR FOR JEFFERSON.

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First off, no need for CAPS. Relax.

Wait another year for Jefferson? He has now played in games for the past 3 seasons. Manuel has not. It is not an apples to apples comparison.

With as much PT as JJ has, he should be much better than he is, or at least as good as he is capable of being. Problem is, he is getting worse under GC.

For some, that was the thought. I was a fan of Jimbo to be honest, except for one game, 2006 AU. What the hell was the bunch formation?

Outside of that, he was a damn good OC and seemed to develop QBs quite well. He played to strengths, like in 01 with Davey and Reed, 03 with Mauck, 04 with Randall/JR. In 2004, the offense would change depending on which QB was in.

Now, we just run the read option regardless.

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so doucet not playing in four games and having to play injured, lafel being benched for drops, and byrd being a first year player HAD NO AFFECT ON HIS STATS?

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It did of course. WRs play hurt every year though. Lafell, while being "benched", was our 2nd leading WR. And Byrd was a 1st year player, a JUCO first year player, and was our 3rd WR. Did it have an effect on his stats? Of course. But not to the effect that you are trying to imply.

And please type in all caps more, it helps me understand better.

The job of any coach is to put his players in a position to succeed. Crowton has failed miserably at this the past three years.

Regardless of how poor the qbs are, you can still work around them (see Chris Todd at Auburn and Jonathan Crompton at UTK last season). Especially with some of the skill players the Tigers have.

After three seasons of garbage, do you really think Crowton has done a good job of maximizing the talents of all his players?

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because he hasn't really played yet.

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yes he has. did you not see florida in 09 or the a.c.c. championship game this year?

wouldn't most people think it is a better situation for manuel that he wasn't forced to play early. he could sit, watch, learn, then when his time came in his junior year, he would have a better chance to succeed? yet, given all that, and he's suppose to be more talented, he didn't succeed when his # was called.

This is why this entire angle/debate is flawed. you guys are saying it's not jimbo's fault because manuel hasn't played much. Then it's jimbo success because flynn played well when it was his time, even though he hadn't played before. Then, since jefferson had to play early, it's crowton's fault for him not playing well. however, when jamarcus, or clausen, or manuel, had to play early and didn't perform well, who's fault was that? jimbo gets credit for developing a guy for one or two years (booty/davey) then doesn't get the negative credit for weatherford or lee? crowton, one year with flynn, oh, that was jimbo. three years with dixon, oh, that was chip kelly in his senior year.

you guy's can't see how you're talking in circles?

fact is, E.J. manuel was the #1 qb in his class. Jefferson wasn't. Fact is, they were both in the same class. Fact is, neither, when given the opportunity, has performed to their expectations at this point. if crowton didn't develop jefferson by this time, then jimbo didn't develop manuel either.

i'm not making excuses for crowton. you guy's are making excuses for jimbo. i'm just pointing out the flawed analogy with factual content. this isn't my opinion, it's what HAS happened or occured.

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You think Crowton's lack of productivity is due to lack of talent at the QB position.

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I think Crowton and the QB's are both inferior.

The point is that he had one of 4 years with a reasonablly good QB at the helm, whereas everyone is blaming Crowton for JJ not being able to develop, which I think is significant misattribution of blame. Could Crowton simplify the offense any more? Could he make JJ see the field better? Could he make JJ change his very slow decision making and throwing mechanics? I bet they spent a lot of time simplifying things so that he could try to develop pocket awareness, but very little progress was made.

You do not need a great QB to win. Just a servicable one who can make most of the throws decently (not magnigicently) and sitribute the ball. The QB's passing stats are a distant second to his distribution to the playmakers hands. Flynn did it well enough but not great, but he was orders of magnitude better at running an offense that what we have had the last 3 years.

I'd give Flynn a 7 out of 10 and JJ a 3 out of 10 on a QB scale. I won't even rank Lee since he had hardly played since his freshman year.

Give LSU an average SEC QB this year, versus a significantly lower than average QB, and LSU would likley be 11-1 or maybe 12-0 in the regular season.

Crowton is not a good OC, he is just ok, and he has not had a fair chance the last 3 years to show what he has because we have had pretty much the bottom of the barrel QB performance for the last 3 years.

Again, tell me what "development" you would have schemed to overcome the QB's latent deficiencies? What substantive basis do you have to assert that he could have been developed to overcome this instrinsic issues?

Gd damnit rooad


The kid just isn't very good, deal with it.

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The kid just isn't very good, deal with it.

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compared to. . .

Lee sucks
JJ sucks

Bailey then?