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College Offense has changed
Posted on 11/15/20 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 11/15/20 at 8:53 pm
Defenses will have to have to adjust. Coaches will have to be more creative to stop the new age offenses. Other wise we will end up with all games looking like Big 10 games.
Posted on 11/15/20 at 9:00 pm to TigerCrude
This is old news. College offense has been changed for years now. The SEC was one of the last to transition. None of the other conferences have really made an adjustment on defense, outside of a handful of teams. The SEC, as a whole, has figured out how to handle the other conferences' offenses and it's mainly just out-athleting them. It will be harder for the SEC to figure out how to handle those offenses within the conference, with much better athletes to account for. The SEC is going to be unstoppable for most teams outside of the conference now.
Posted on 11/15/20 at 9:07 pm to DRock88
Just funny that not even 5 years ago a ton of SEC fans would always rely on "but we play defense." Nowadays it’s like the SEC and Big 12 are one in the same.
Posted on 11/15/20 at 9:08 pm to TigerCrude
Here's the question (because you are right):
Do defenses need to be "complimentary" to the offense OR do you try to "stop them"?
The reason this is a real question is because:
A) Complimentary = keep everything in front of you, don't give up plays in between the 25's, very aggressive inside the 25's.
B) Stop Them = risk taking to try and get them behind the chains, any spot on the field.
With (A), assuming your offense is very good, you are actually having some control of the game.
With (B) you might end up in a true shootout where you still have some, but less, control.
Do defenses need to be "complimentary" to the offense OR do you try to "stop them"?
The reason this is a real question is because:
A) Complimentary = keep everything in front of you, don't give up plays in between the 25's, very aggressive inside the 25's.
B) Stop Them = risk taking to try and get them behind the chains, any spot on the field.
With (A), assuming your offense is very good, you are actually having some control of the game.
With (B) you might end up in a true shootout where you still have some, but less, control.
Posted on 11/15/20 at 9:19 pm to TigerCrude
It has been changed for a while now
Posted on 11/15/20 at 9:26 pm to DRock88
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The SEC was one of the last to transition.
I think it’s more accurate to say that Alabama, LSU, and (maybe eventually) UGA were the last to transition. Which is crazy when you consider that Urban/Mullen won two national championships in three years at Florida.. over a decade ago.
Posted on 11/15/20 at 9:29 pm to TigerCrude
There is common thread to the elite defenses:
Dominating the LOS and elite secondaries.
Dominating the LOS and elite secondaries.
Posted on 11/15/20 at 9:30 pm to lostinbr
UF's 2 NC's (2006 and 2008) were due at least in part to great defenses.
Posted on 11/15/20 at 9:45 pm to GeorgeWest
Florida was running the damn single wing with Tebow
Posted on 11/15/20 at 10:10 pm to SammyTiger
Offenses have definitely changed, but football is still won and lost in the trenches. Win that battle and 95% of the time you win the game.
Posted on 11/15/20 at 10:19 pm to TigerCrude
Yeah, offenses have obviously changed. They aren't running the wing-t anymore.
That said, it doesn't mean you can't still play good defense. It's all about getting good players.
Case in point, look at last year's LSU and Auburn. LSU was stacked, offensively, at every position possible. It was arguably top-to-bottom the best offensive group you could assemble.
Auburn had a couple of great/elite tackles and some pretty good players everywhere else. LSU's box score was impressive and they put up some yards, but honestly, Auburn's defense made LSU look pretty pedestrian.
That said, it doesn't mean you can't still play good defense. It's all about getting good players.
Case in point, look at last year's LSU and Auburn. LSU was stacked, offensively, at every position possible. It was arguably top-to-bottom the best offensive group you could assemble.
Auburn had a couple of great/elite tackles and some pretty good players everywhere else. LSU's box score was impressive and they put up some yards, but honestly, Auburn's defense made LSU look pretty pedestrian.
Posted on 11/15/20 at 11:25 pm to SammyTiger
So, basically everything elite except 2 linebackers
Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:03 am to TigerCrude
Defenses will adjust next year. Covid caught the entire country off on the defensive side. It's a lot easier to install these simpler offenses than it is to teach players on defense what to do against them.
I'm not advocating for Pelini, I want him gone, but there is nobody in the country playing good defense. It you think you are, you haven't played a half decent offense yet.
I'm not advocating for Pelini, I want him gone, but there is nobody in the country playing good defense. It you think you are, you haven't played a half decent offense yet.
Posted on 11/16/20 at 12:49 am to I20goon
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I20goon
Great questions.
There are so many variables that go into engineering a defense across an entire season nowadays.
Posted on 11/16/20 at 1:39 am to Paul Allen
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one in the same
One and the same.
Posted on 11/16/20 at 4:35 am to lostinbr
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I think it’s more accurate to say that Alabama, LSU, and (maybe eventually) UGA were the last to transition. Which is crazy when you consider that Urban/Mullen won two national championships in three years at Florida.. over a decade ago.
LSU is the correct answer here. Other teams were passing the ball before LSU made it a staple. For all of the offenses can't be stopped talk, you still have to have a very good to great qb.
Posted on 11/16/20 at 5:36 am to kajunman
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LSU is the correct answer here.
No it isn’t. UGA and A&M still run “pro style” offenses today.
Posted on 11/16/20 at 6:12 am to The First Cut
Offensive linemen are Sumo wrestlers now. They are taught holding techniques instead of blocking techniques, much to the detriment of the game!
Posted on 11/16/20 at 6:47 am to TigerCrude
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Other wise we will end up with all games looking like Big 10 games.
This may be the strangest support for an argument I have heard in a while for college football moving offensive styles. The Big Ten actually looks more conventional that all of the other power 5 conferences. Not sure why you think Iowa, Northwestern, Minnesota and Rutgers are so wide open that other conferences should avoid looking like them.
This post was edited on 11/16/20 at 6:49 am
Posted on 11/16/20 at 7:08 am to TigerCrude
The rules have changed more than offenses have. You can’t hit a qb high or low. You can’t jack a wide wr up coming across the middle. You can’t hand check a we past five yards. Cant tackle a guy buy the collar. Every penalty on defense is an automatic first down. It’s a step above flag football.
Defense used to be physical. Now they have to pull up and make sure they don’t hit a guy hard. While they are playing in quick sand, the offense can break tackles or run past guys.
Defense used to be physical. Now they have to pull up and make sure they don’t hit a guy hard. While they are playing in quick sand, the offense can break tackles or run past guys.
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