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re: Coach O and the ridiculousness of an extension
Posted on 11/30/18 at 12:13 am to whitefoot
Posted on 11/30/18 at 12:13 am to whitefoot
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Jimbo: aww son. You don't want to LSU. You want to go somewhere with some stability and you know the coaches are going to stick around. Trust me, you don't want to go through a coaching change. New coach comes in, you're not "his guy" he wants to bring in "his guys". He doesn't want to mess the the old coaches guys. The old coaches guys get blamed as the reason he got fired. Trust me. It's an ugly situation. It's not fun at all. Next thing you know, you're transferring to finish out your last year or two. Going somewhere new. You don't know them, they don't know you. No sir. You want to go somewhere that you know the coaches that recruit you are going to be there with you for your whole career.
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"O is 1-6 against the cream of the crop in the SEC over the last 2.5 years. Think about it. He isn't winning anything important anytime soon. Doesn't matter how long he is there."
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Posted on 11/30/18 at 12:20 am to UpToPar
The brutal negative recruiting done against O by other coaches.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 12:23 am to DeltaDoc
Another stupid fricking Rant thread.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 12:24 am to whitefoot
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Says who? How many recruits do you think have any earthly idea how long Orgeron has left on his contract?
all of them. Are you kidding me with this? They're making the biggest decision to that point of their lives. Them and their families are putting their trust in a coach to guide them through the next chapter of their lives. You really think they don't have any idea what the coaches' contact situations look like? Please tell me you're not that dumb.
The coaches we recruit against are masters of negative recruiting. They're going to use any negative to their advantage. If a 2020 recruit is making a pros and cons list and it's between us and A&M, I can guarantee you Orgeron only having 2 years left on his contract with a virtually nonexistent buyout is going in the cons column for LSU. On the flipside, he's pretty much guaranteed Jimbo will be there his whole career.
You've got to be insane if you don't think that can factor into someone's decision.
The reality is, he's not getting fired now, he's highly unlikely to get fired after next season either, so what's it matter if we extend him now and guarantee him more money THAT'S HE'S GOING TO GET ANYWAY to give the illusion of more security?
Do you really think he's getting fired after next season? No way, man. If next season is disappointing, he'll still get 2020, and if we extend him now, we provide stability for recruiting the next two years and by the time we might actually make a move, the buyout will have reduced to around what it is now (which is something like $3.5 million
You are wasting your time. They don't get it and don't want to so your wasting your time.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 12:27 am to Freauxzen
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"O is 1-6 against the cream of the crop in the SEC over the last 2.5 years. Think about it. He isn't winning anything important anytime soon. Doesn't matter how long he is there."
I love how you arbitrarily decide which games get included in this. 3 loss Florida and 4 loss A&M count as "cream of the crop", but 1 loss west division champion Auburn doesn't?
It's much easier to spin losses to recruits. Need difference makers like you. We're close. Let me show you one play in this game where a player like you could have been the difference between winning and losing.
Bottom line is, it ALL impacts recruiting, but a good recruiter can much more easily spin wins and losses than lack of support and lack of job security.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 12:45 am to bencoleman
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You are wasting your time. They don't get it and don't want to so your wasting your time.
I know. I can't help myself though.
The thing is, it's such an absurd thing to get worked up about. There's always going to be a buyout. You just have to plan the extensions so they're palatable. Extending him now makes the most sense because we're not firing him in the next two years anyway. Right now, his contract basically guarantees him one year's pay. Extend him, guarantee years two and three and after 2020 the buyout is exactly the same as it was today, we haven't paid him anything more than we were going to pay him anyway, and we've provided stability for recruiting purposes.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 12:48 am to DeltaDoc
Get a grip. You have no say so.
This post was edited on 11/30/18 at 12:49 am
Posted on 11/30/18 at 1:22 am to Tigerfan56
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While I agree 9-3 is a pleasant surprise compared to preseason expectations, a lot also has to do with preseason notions that turned out to be false.
Our pre season win loss predictions were low because of coaching.
No one that evaluates talent thinks we arent talented on offense.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 1:26 am to The First Cut
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It’s. About. Recruiting.
Link me to anyone in the sports world that agrees you have to
Posted on 11/30/18 at 1:28 am to DeltaDoc
I'm pretty sure besides the Bama game Os proven that he can coach.
We were competitive in every other game and if a few bounces go our way LSU could be 11-1. We will likely be in a NY6 bowl game for the first time in a long time. This site just won't stop hating on this man for what ever reason.
Les Miles lucked out a few times in his seasons and is why he produced so many good seasons, we played like a 9-3 team almost every year he was here. This team is playing slightly better but aren't getting the bounces that Miles got. That will change at some point, plus the talent level is slowly rising. I would like it to be a quicker process but it isn't at this time.
LSU could easily go 11-1 next year and should go 11-1 or better while playing Bama much closer. I think we can and will do that. Os not going anywhere and he isn't failing as some would have hoped. What's bad is its you same morons who keep making him look better and better bc you keep telling everyone he's the worst coach any schools ever had yet he keeps beating other great coaches or going toe to toe with them for sure.
Y'all going to have to let this play out bc you don't really have a fight here. Makes some of you look so dumb.
We were competitive in every other game and if a few bounces go our way LSU could be 11-1. We will likely be in a NY6 bowl game for the first time in a long time. This site just won't stop hating on this man for what ever reason.
Les Miles lucked out a few times in his seasons and is why he produced so many good seasons, we played like a 9-3 team almost every year he was here. This team is playing slightly better but aren't getting the bounces that Miles got. That will change at some point, plus the talent level is slowly rising. I would like it to be a quicker process but it isn't at this time.
LSU could easily go 11-1 next year and should go 11-1 or better while playing Bama much closer. I think we can and will do that. Os not going anywhere and he isn't failing as some would have hoped. What's bad is its you same morons who keep making him look better and better bc you keep telling everyone he's the worst coach any schools ever had yet he keeps beating other great coaches or going toe to toe with them for sure.
Y'all going to have to let this play out bc you don't really have a fight here. Makes some of you look so dumb.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 6:41 am to The First Cut
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Why does anyone here care?
Why are you carrying the water for Orgeron and the administration on this? It’s like you have a vested interest in him getting an extension.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 6:54 am to DeltaDoc
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I’ll be the first to admit I’m surprised LSU finished the season 9-3. That said, finishing 3rd in the West is not the standard. Getting blown out at home is not the standard.
“We got even more out of this team than anyone expected. We are just a few keys pieces from taking that next step and you are 1 of those pieces.”
Posted on 11/30/18 at 6:57 am to DeltaDoc
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I’ll be the first to admit I’m surprised LSU finished the season 9-3
I had us at 8-4, and I thought that would have been a poor season. O beat that by one game. What is with you people wanting to anoint him as some savior of our program?
This post was edited on 11/30/18 at 6:57 am
Posted on 11/30/18 at 6:57 am to roger79
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Why are you carrying the water for Orgeron and the administration on this? It’s like you have a vested interest in him getting an extension
Why does it always have to be this. Can't some people just be fair minded? Why is it considered normal to hate on the coach? There's no excuse for it. The man is doing right by LSU, let him make his living. For those that don't think it has anything to do with recruiting. The ADs think it does and they control the purse strings.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 6:59 am to The First Cut
you could show some people on here where a recruit said that he won't come unless they give the coach an extension and they still wouldn't believe you.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 7:17 am to DeltaDoc
You clearly don’t understand how this works. I agree with you sentiment, but having 5 years on a contract is the norm. What they need to do is lower the buyout. That’s what hamstrings a program, Not how many years on the contract.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 7:18 am to DeltaDoc
DeltaDoc
enough with the BS for this year.
Next year there should be no excuses.
BTW having a coach coaching on its last year of a contract affects recruitment.
enough with the BS for this year.
Next year there should be no excuses.
BTW having a coach coaching on its last year of a contract affects recruitment.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 7:36 am to rbdallas
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BTW having a coach coaching on its last year of a contract affects recruitment.
Which coach do you think is on the last year of their contract?
Posted on 11/30/18 at 7:43 am to Tigerfan56
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. We didn’t lose any games we had no business losing so I guess that’s nice?
Florida is trash, and absolutely falls in this category.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 7:44 am to rbdallas
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BTW having a coach coaching on its last year of a contract affects recruitment.
Is there any numbers or even anecdotal evidence of this being true? Or is this just something people say.
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