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re: Clancy Pendergast - Defensive Records - updated with his Professional Rankings
Posted on 1/3/15 at 11:26 am to Palm Beach Tiger
Posted on 1/3/15 at 11:26 am to Palm Beach Tiger
May not be an upgrade but it's a damn good hire. Guy was getting paid to consult with nfl teams while sitting on his couch. He knows his shite.
The people that point out his college records need to consider the talent level he had to work with. Cal is not exactly a powerhouse and USC was on probation and he still had good years. And that was in a conference with a lot of offense.
The people that point out his college records need to consider the talent level he had to work with. Cal is not exactly a powerhouse and USC was on probation and he still had good years. And that was in a conference with a lot of offense.
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Posted on 1/3/15 at 11:34 am to 0
Yeah, and the Pac-12 is a pass-happy league, so there will usually be quite a few more points and yards given up. I guarantee you he has never been given the type of talent we have on D. I'm sure he had a few studs at USC though, but the timing of when he was there didn't give him access to the normal amount of studs you would have at USC.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:13 pm to Big EZ Tiger
His defense won't be on the field as long either.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:21 pm to mytigger
quote:
Lots of guys coach in the NFL that have no business being a DC for a major college,
So you're saying lots of DCs in the NFL aren't good enough to coach DC in cfb?
Can you elaborate further on that?
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:25 pm to unbanmepls
Just bc a guy has a job in the NFL doesn't mean he's qualified to be a coordinator on the collegiate level.
Furthermore, even those who have been a coordinator in the NFL are not necessarily qualified to be a coordinator on the collegiate level. LSU experienced this a few years ago in the form of Gary Crowton.
Furthermore, even those who have been a coordinator in the NFL are not necessarily qualified to be a coordinator on the collegiate level. LSU experienced this a few years ago in the form of Gary Crowton.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:27 pm to mytigger
And just because he is an elite college coach doesn't mean he is elite in NFL! Uhhhmmmm, Saban, Muschamp both stand up. You really have no point at all
This post was edited on 1/3/15 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:31 pm to LSUNV
When this is the argument for why he should be our DC I think my point is pretty valid.
quote:
All I know is, he coached in the NFL for 12 years
So apparently the worlds best think he is pretty good at what he does.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:39 pm to mytigger
So by your logic then the inverse is true, Saban and Muschamp are both elite college coaches for defense and neither of them translated into NFL coaches. The fact that CP lasted 12 years means that he is better than both
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:42 pm to LSUNV
I'm not arguing that the inverse isn't true. Are you making an argument that Clancy's time in the NFL being what you're banking on? His best defense in the NFL was ranked 12th. That lasted one year. In the next five he was ranked 26-29th and was fired twice.
Roll them dice playa!
Roll them dice playa!
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:43 pm to mytigger
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Just bc a guy has a job in the NFL doesn't mean he's qualified to be a coordinator on the collegiate level.
I get that this is what you're stance is. I'm just curious to hear what would make an NFL DC unqualified for the collegiate level. Gary Crowton being bad doesn't set a precedent for all NFL coordinators being bad in college.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 1:46 pm to mytigger
And where was Muschamps D ranked? Where was Saban's?
This post was edited on 1/3/15 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:04 pm to mytigger
OP, solid post. Now i dont like CP. 
Still not sold on anything LSU front office in being able to pick competent coaches.
Still not sold on anything LSU front office in being able to pick competent coaches.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:13 pm to TampaTiger22
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Does any of that take into consideration how bad Cal's offense was? They were awful.
How did they compare to us now, seriously, worse on offense than us?
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:26 pm to mytigger
This entire thread is about the OP wanting emotional insurance. The odds are we get Pendergast ...and if he is successful, then OP will be happy. If he isn't, OP will be able to bump this thread and pump his chest. Win/win
Now if the OP had taken the other candidates for the job and run similar numbers to show how much more qualified they are..then that would be great.
Now if the OP had taken the other candidates for the job and run similar numbers to show how much more qualified they are..then that would be great.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:27 pm to JamesonandTiger
I did yesterday with venables. Now I'll go bump my chest.
Eta - go pull it up and see what a home run hire looks like.
Eta - go pull it up and see what a home run hire looks like.
This post was edited on 1/3/15 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:34 pm to mytigger
He isn't a candidate...and so glad you logged back on to respond. You really are a joke
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:35 pm to mytigger
Really nice work. CP is exactly who I thought. LSU needs to think this through.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:54 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Pendergast was a DC in a pass happy pac 12 and still had USC ranked 1st in 2013 defense.
The OP has some personal agenda against this coach and I don't know why.
Fwiw, USC fans wish he was back in Los angeles.
The OP has some personal agenda against this coach and I don't know why.
Fwiw, USC fans wish he was back in Los angeles.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 2:55 pm to mytigger
quote:
I did yesterday with venables.
Venables isn't a candidate.
Posted on 1/3/15 at 3:33 pm to siliconvalleytiger
What's being missed with the statistics is level of talent. I want everyone to see two things to fully understand what he had to work with:
1. The level of recruiting before he began working for Cal
2. And the increase in recruiting after to fully understand what he had to work with for 3 years.
I went back to 2008 because these would be experienced Juniors the year he started (2010) according to Rivals.
Cal
2008 #34
2009 #42
2010 #11
2011 #17
2012 #23
Now in 2013 at USC this is what he inherited.
2010 - USC ranked #1
2011 - USC ranked #4
2012 - USC ranked #8
2013 - USC ranked #13
There's no doubt why he was ranked #1 that season in the PAC 12. It's because he had the players to work with.
I still think CP would be a good hire, but recruiting the SEC would be difficult without Ed O.
We can't see what G.M.'s do with teams to strengthen or weaken them based on the salary cap or players leaving via free agency. You have to work with who you have in the NFL.
Unfortunately, we also don't have a good window to look in with great recruiting classes at USC because he only had one year, but he still managed with the athletes he had to be the top D in that conference. This was a feat he had accomplished before at Cal with arguably lesser talent when they ranked #9 in 2010 and #29 in 2011 nationally according to ESPN.
Again, we all attrition plays a part in performance. If you can't reload with top quality players you will have longer cycles
All I'm trying to say is recruiting plays a big part in this and statistics alone can't bear out the totality of his performance as a DC.
1. The level of recruiting before he began working for Cal
2. And the increase in recruiting after to fully understand what he had to work with for 3 years.
I went back to 2008 because these would be experienced Juniors the year he started (2010) according to Rivals.
Cal
2008 #34
2009 #42
2010 #11
2011 #17
2012 #23
Now in 2013 at USC this is what he inherited.
2010 - USC ranked #1
2011 - USC ranked #4
2012 - USC ranked #8
2013 - USC ranked #13
There's no doubt why he was ranked #1 that season in the PAC 12. It's because he had the players to work with.
I still think CP would be a good hire, but recruiting the SEC would be difficult without Ed O.
We can't see what G.M.'s do with teams to strengthen or weaken them based on the salary cap or players leaving via free agency. You have to work with who you have in the NFL.
Unfortunately, we also don't have a good window to look in with great recruiting classes at USC because he only had one year, but he still managed with the athletes he had to be the top D in that conference. This was a feat he had accomplished before at Cal with arguably lesser talent when they ranked #9 in 2010 and #29 in 2011 nationally according to ESPN.
Again, we all attrition plays a part in performance. If you can't reload with top quality players you will have longer cycles
All I'm trying to say is recruiting plays a big part in this and statistics alone can't bear out the totality of his performance as a DC.
This post was edited on 1/3/15 at 3:36 pm
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