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re: CBS Sports has O on the hot seat.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 11:58 am to TigerLunatik
Posted on 7/10/18 at 11:58 am to TigerLunatik
I dont see our administration firing unless he has a losing season. But alleva will be fired before O in that case.
Too much lost money with buyouts and firing in the last 2 years to go and do it again this year if we want to hire a guy who can make a difference.
Too much lost money with buyouts and firing in the last 2 years to go and do it again this year if we want to hire a guy who can make a difference.
This post was edited on 7/10/18 at 11:59 am
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Posted on 7/10/18 at 11:58 am to TigerLunatik
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Ok. When you say regressed, how far are we taking to get fired after year 2?
Anything less than last year. 8 wins could be acceptable IF the offense shows drastic improvement.
If he can’t accomplish those things within his second year with his handpicked staff, he is not the right guy for the job.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:00 pm to ATLTiger
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:00 pm to Alt26
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Well are you going to tell everyone while Miles was fired? Or are you just going to insult posters having a reasonable discussion?
Les Miles was fired because the brand of football he was playing was damaging LSU. It was causing a lot of harm to the "business" of LSU.... that means $$$$.
He was asked for many years to fix it... and he wouldn't. Why will no program in America touch him? Because they don't want the brand of football he brings.
Why couldn't we recruit and develop QB's? How tough has it been on O to sell that he is changing our brand?
8-9 wins didn't get Miles fired. Running the same play 90% of the time got him fired. IT was creating a situation where, as stated above, it began to affect revenue and it was only trending worse.
8-9 wins a year, good QB play, good offense..... Miles is still our coach. Because people still pay to see that, and recruits would still want to play in that scheme.
Think bigger, and don't let the dummies convince you that it was because he was only winning 9 games. The guy won a national title and played in another. The brand was suffering.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:01 pm to TigerLunatik
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I guess my thing is that people say that excuses are made for him that wouldn't be made for other coaches and that he should be treated like other coaches. I'm one of those people too. But, any other coach wouldn't be on the hot seat after winning 9 games last year and IMO, he shouldn't either.
Again, any coach who inherited a talented team and then flubbed his OC hire only to fire him after year 1 and then completely go against the grain and hire someone that nobody thought was even going to be considered who, presumably, flopped would be fired.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:03 pm to AshLSU
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Anything less than last year. 8 wins could be acceptable IF the offense shows drastic improvement.
This is kind of what I was getting at with my first post. There going be different stipulations that would allow him to retain his job. IMO, being on the hot seat is win 10 or your fired. No excuses.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:03 pm to La Place Mike
quote:It was an anomaly for LSU to lose like that to msu and lose to a Sun Belt team.
At LSU? No, it wasn't. It was historic, as was the Troy loss.
That makes it an anomaly. Look up the word if you doubt me.
The question is, is that an anomaly for O?
If you don't get that, you're just dense or enjoy arguing
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:03 pm to cra_cra
What is O's brand?
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:04 pm to cra_cra
O will not be fired this year unless we crater...think it would take 4 or 5 wins to get him canned. You would be destroying the 2019 class, and tell me who we'd get ? No, the 2019 season will tell the tale on Ed.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:07 pm to TigerLunatik
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This is kind of what I was getting at with my first post. There going be different stipulations that would allow him to retain his job. IMO, being on the hot seat is win 10 or your fired. No excuses.
How the team plays is what we should be looking at and judging him on. If its clear we are better offensively and lose some close games, he gets another year.
If it's clear our team is not playing well, you cut your losses and move on.
You could have 2 teams with 7-5 records look completely, and totally different. How they play is what matters and if he gets a 3rd year.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:07 pm to moneyg
I tend to disagree and that's fine, doesn't mean I'm correct. I think other coaches would still get a mulligan before being put on notice.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:07 pm to Solo Cam
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Good news- He has an excellent opportunity, with this schedule and ‘19 class, to shut up the critics.
This can’t be stressed enough. He pulls off a 10 or 11 win season this year, he has my full support. He wins 8 or 9 with vast improvements to the offense, he deserves one more year. Anything less than that, I see no reason to keep him.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:08 pm to Lebowski
Probably because of fan reactions on sports message boards....
But at LSU, a 9-4 season does warm up the seat. I think most fans want to compete for titles, or at least have the feeling they are getting close. Another 9-4 will not get him fired but will definitely put him in the frying pan.
But at LSU, a 9-4 season does warm up the seat. I think most fans want to compete for titles, or at least have the feeling they are getting close. Another 9-4 will not get him fired but will definitely put him in the frying pan.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:11 pm to cra_cra
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Les Miles was fired because the brand of football he was playing was damaging LSU. It was causing a lot of harm to the "business" of LSU
And how exactly was this quantified? Sounds like you're just making this up.
Les was bad for business and you hire fricking Orgeron, the worst coach in OM history? Makes a lot of sense.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:13 pm to Goldrush25
That's a damn good point.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:14 pm to Lebowski
does this mean O has to pay for 2 hot seats since he's obviously overweight?
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:16 pm to TigerLunatik
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being on the hot seat is win 10 or your fired. No excuses
Not necessarily
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:18 pm to Goldrush25
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And how exactly was this quantified? Sounds like you're just making this up.
Les was bad for business and you hire fricking Orgeron, the worst coach in OM history? Makes a lot of sense.
Making this up? Not hardly.
How many coaches with the resume of Miles get fired mid-season?
How many schools have seriously considered him since he was let go? I mean 1 natty and 1 natty loss... seems like a lot of teams out there would kill for that, but they aren't. Why?
Every school in the country was negatively recruiting against him. Why was it so hard to recruit QB's? And it started to affect other positions as well which is why you saw the depth problems.
LSU was getting harder to sell (recruits and our own fans) and it was quantifiable. Because of LM the man, he was given many years to change it. He didn't.
It had NOTHING to do with wins/losses.
This post was edited on 7/10/18 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:18 pm to La Place Mike
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That makes it an anomaly.
It was an anomaly FOR THE PROGRAM, which is WHY most fans are pissed about them. Who's arguing that?
The issue is, was it an anomaly for this coach? Those of us that have pointed to those losses do not think that they are.
You seemed to be suggesting that the loss was simply an anomaly which should be ignored. I'd agree if we were talking about Saban or Miles, who had both had track records of NOT losing games like that.
But we're not talking about those coaches, we're talking about Orgeron...who DOES have a history of losing games like that and having his team wildly unprepared and looking like horseshite.
So which point were you trying to make...that we ought not be too worried about those losses because at LSU they are anomalies, or that we ought not be worried because they are anomalies for Orgeron as a head coach? The first seems to be irrelevant and the second just seems plain wrong.
quote:
O wasn't the right hire if that makes you feel better.
I take them where I get them, even if it means finding common ground on what ought to be fricking obvious for all.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 12:19 pm to Fishhead
quote:So you agree it's an anomaly. If you want to argue whether it's an anomaly for O then start a new thread about it.
The question is, is that an anomaly for O?
If you don't get that, you're just dense or enjoy arguing
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