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re: CBS Sports has O on the hot seat.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 3:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 7/10/18 at 3:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Do you disagree? The offense was simplified and it looked much better down the stretch, particularly the offensive line.
How do we know it wasn't going to improve anyway? That's generally what happens the more you do something.
I put the burden of a sputtering offense on those that teach it. Maybe Canada does deserve some blame but so do his subordinates that help to implement his vision. If they don't get it how do they help the players to get it?
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Posted on 7/10/18 at 3:51 pm to cra_cra
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Bravo! Someone gets it. So let’s discuss. I’ll give you another place to look. Study to payout trends to each sec team, and then think two words..... sec network. Then look at trends on the game including the playoffs. And thus the arms race begins. Exposure. Marketability. Go further into the rabbit hole.
Maybe you could be less cryptic. The money for the SEC is distributed more or less equally. For instance, last year the payout was $40.9 million per team. LINK
Still not sure how Les Miles was costing LSU money and that necessitated his firing. Both Alabama and Vandy got $40.9 million. As did LSU.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 3:56 pm to Freauxzen
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That's the same line that should be said for injuries, freshman starts and many of the excuses for last season. Every single coach deals with those things.
I agree. The buck stops at the HC. Ultimately it should be his head, on or off, the chopping block.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 4:03 pm to JBeam
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Now if LSU falls to the 5-6 win range
5 or 6 wins and that hot seat shouldnt be his anymore.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 4:07 pm to nvasil1
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I think a lot of people realize this team needs to perform in big games, and if they don't, everything could unravel quickly for Orgeron.
Definitely, I dont think his seat is hot right now, but the propane tank is filled and ready to light the burner if things dont go as planned in Sept. He better win, or it will get hot quick.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 4:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Do you disagree? The offense was simplified and it looked much better down the stretch, particularly the offensive line.
The offense looked much better because they got better.
The "simplified offense" experiment lasted for one half of football, didn't work, and was abandoned. The next Saturday at Florida, the shifts and jet sweeps fully returned.
If you want to credit Orgeron, then credit him for saying after the Troy loss that he was leaving the offense "totally up to Matt".
Posted on 7/10/18 at 4:14 pm to Goldrush25
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If he wins 7 games this year it's fair to consider cutting losses. The second year is when most coaches demonstrate their impact.
Plus he turned up the heat on himself after getting rid of Canada. Replacing your OC after the first year means your next one better hit the ground running.
Agreed on all points. Even though I agree with the Canada divorce.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 4:27 pm to BilltheTiger
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This narrative has gotten really old. I don't see anyone saying 9 winds a year Is acceptable. We al want to compete for championships. The post you objected to is saying that O is going to be given time to get there. I don't know how this will turn out, but I fully support giving the man a chance to succeed. 3 years certainly seems reasonable given the shape that the team was in when O took over.
If Orgeron can show improvement to the team then I’m fine with giving him another year.
What I’m not fine with is the team staying the same or getting worse and people making excuses for Orgeron like “the team is young” (all good programs have to deal with early NFL draft problems) or “team X was just better than us” (when clearly that is not the case based on talent levels).
What I’m saying is that I (and likely many others) will not accept these bullshite excuses and neither should the boosters.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 4:32 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Miles was fired more for his stubborn refusal to change than the losses
Wrong.
Had he not changed a damn thing and continued to put us in the playoffs regularly, he would not have been fired.
I agree that his refusal to change is what caused the loses, but it was the loses that got him fired, not the plays he was running.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 4:35 pm to nvasil1
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The "simplified offense" experiment lasted for one half of football, didn't work, and was abandoned
There were still a few shifts and jet sweeps but the offense was different than early in the year. The big difference was the blocking schemes on the offensive line
Posted on 7/10/18 at 4:36 pm to cra_cra
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Failing to see LSU as a business is why most of you don't get it. If you think "business" is merely about wins and losses, there is no reason to keep discussing the subject with you, because you will never get it.
bullshite.
Winning Championships brings in far more money than being an average team.
No it’s me is saying TAF is not a business. It is. And it’s ultimate goal is to make money. But the best way to ensure you bring in money in college football is to win.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 4:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Right, it was a terrible pick
Was it? Or did he just meddle in the offense and not let Canada do what he is capable of?
Posted on 7/10/18 at 4:41 pm to AshLSU
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Was it? Or did he just meddle in the offense and not let Canada do what he is capable of?
I think Canada's offense works better with lesser athletes who are quick studies. I doubt he'll land another high profile job anytime soon
Posted on 7/10/18 at 4:42 pm to beauxroux
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Remember, when we had co-Defensive coordinators
Yes...nearly everyone hated the idea.
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As I recall that was shut down after one year.
Yes. A whole year. Did anyone shut it down after three weeks and start telling both Co-DC's they could not run whatever they had been hired to run?
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I don't remember such an uproar
You should get that checked. As with nearly everything Miles ever did at LSU, fans were up his arse about this move...and in that case, rightfully so.
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Assistants get fired all the time-- even after one year.
You've said YEAR twice. I said GAMES. Canada was essentially told to beat rocks a few games into his tenure here because his offense wasn't working. That's absurd on its face, but even more so if we're going to declare that systems need time to get established. NO ONE is revamping any system in three or four games. People want to talk undue burdens...what about that one?
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No earth-shattering news.
The news is that he was hired to run his offense and then when he tried Orgeron got spooked and attempted to take it away. Canada seems to have told on him and there was a meeting about it. at that point everyone hated each other and the rest is history. but it makes ZERO sense to hire a coach that has a very specific style only to then act like that style is not a fit. Did Orgeron simply have no idea what system Canada ran? Are we to believe that LSU had no idea Canada was prickly to work with?
Posted on 7/10/18 at 5:10 pm to cra_cra
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Les Miles was fired because the brand of football he was playing was damaging LSU. It was causing a lot of harm to the "business" of LSU.... that means $$$$.
He was asked for many years to fix it... and he wouldn't. Why will no program in America touch him? Because they don't want the brand of football he brings.
Why couldn't we recruit and develop QB's? How tough has it been on O to sell that he is changing our brand?
8-9 wins didn't get Miles fired. Running the same play 90% of the time got him fired. IT was creating a situation where, as stated above, it began to affect revenue and it was only trending worse.
8-9 wins a year, good QB play, good offense..... Miles is still our coach. Because people still pay to see that, and recruits would still want to play in that scheme.
Think bigger, and don't let the dummies convince you that it was because he was only winning 9 games. The guy won a national title and played in another. The brand was suffering.
bullshite man.
If Les had won 11 games for the past 3 years and ran the ball 90% of the time, he would still be here.
People care about wins.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 5:23 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Yes. A whole year. Did anyone shut it down after three weeks and start telling both Co-DC's they could not run whatever they had been hired to run?
It was ended after the year... just like Canada. Was there interference/involvement by HC during the year?— I suspect so. Hell Miles was accused of “meddling” in the offense for years. And I know, O said he would let his assistants coach... that doesn’t mean he has no input. Same as every HC. But according to reports, he only interfered in 1st half vs Troy.
Posted on 7/10/18 at 5:24 pm to TigerLunatik
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The coaching staff seems to grow in frequency and ridiculousness
FIFY
Posted on 7/10/18 at 5:30 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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and he had absolutely loaded teams.
What’s funny about that statement?
Posted on 7/10/18 at 5:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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There were still a few shifts and jet sweeps but the offense was different than early in the year.
Yeah it was. Because they ran MORE jet sweeps and were more successful running Canada's offense.
Most of everything Canada ran was designed around that pre-snap motion. Blocking schemes would have to complement it. They weren't simplified for a more simplified offense.
First 5 games (through Troy):
4.8 jet sweeps/game
5.08 yds/jet sweep
5 first downs
Next 4 games (through Bama):
8 jet sweeps/game
8.09 yds/jet sweep
10 first downs
Posted on 7/10/18 at 5:38 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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The news is that he was hired to run his offense and then when he tried Orgeron got spooked and attempted to take it away.
And why would O be spooked.....
Because he knows he has a slim margin of error.
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