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re: Can we please try to make Ed Orgeron’s potential contract extension a major talking point?
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:11 pm to NotLSUSports
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:11 pm to NotLSUSports
An extension at this point is beyond fricking stupid.
The fact that it is even being considered is another example of Joe Alleva’s incompetence.
There is no other power 5 school that would consider giving O the job and if there were it would be a huge step down from LSU.
So why extend a guy that no one else wants and has not proven at all that he can be a championship level HC?
The fact that it is even being considered is another example of Joe Alleva’s incompetence.
There is no other power 5 school that would consider giving O the job and if there were it would be a huge step down from LSU.
So why extend a guy that no one else wants and has not proven at all that he can be a championship level HC?
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Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:14 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
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You get negative recruiting against you if your admin doesn't have you on a longterm deal
So what??? You get negative recruitment against you for any number of reasons
Hell, if I was an SEC coach and LSU gave O an extension, you better believe I’d use that as a negative recruiting tactic.
You think Saban, Jimbo, Mullen and Smart aren’t already using Ed as a negative recruiting point?
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:15 pm to NotLSUSports
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NotLSUSports
Yes please please let's beat this dead horse some more.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:15 pm to NotLSUSports
There is no reason for this kind of talk whatsoever
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:17 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
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Who cares if Orgeron has a 7 year deal if the buy-out isn't unrealistic?
Well if a short-term deal is bad for recruiting, wouldn't an easy buyout be the same thing?
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:22 pm to ipodking
I can’t even if you are serious or not, but again it’s not much of an impact for recruiting purposes. Not at LSU imo.
That’s not going to be a huge game changer in recruiting.. and you don’t simply extend a coach because of recruiting. It’s not like he has top 3 classes any ways.
When Les got fired the big spin for hiring O was to keep the recruiting together.. and as you see it didn’t really have much of an impact either way on recruiting. In the end LSU kept most recruits.. it wasn’t really about Miles. LSU has been negatively recruited against because of their coaching any ways. As long as they are still winning and an established program, the will draw recruits.. and the positive is they could get recruits excited about the possibility of an x and o’s HC.
That’s not going to be a huge game changer in recruiting.. and you don’t simply extend a coach because of recruiting. It’s not like he has top 3 classes any ways.
When Les got fired the big spin for hiring O was to keep the recruiting together.. and as you see it didn’t really have much of an impact either way on recruiting. In the end LSU kept most recruits.. it wasn’t really about Miles. LSU has been negatively recruited against because of their coaching any ways. As long as they are still winning and an established program, the will draw recruits.. and the positive is they could get recruits excited about the possibility of an x and o’s HC.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:26 pm to Dave England
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Well if a short-term deal is bad for recruiting, wouldn't an easy buyout be the same thing?
If I was a 17yrd old recruit and you told me "I wouldn't go play for Orgeron. He has a 7-yr contract in place but only has a $8million dollar buyout." That kid and his family aren't going to know what the hell that even means. You are talking about money that is so far beyond what anyone will ever see in their lifetime.
Now tell that kid "You sure you want to commit to play for Orgeron. Their own Athletic Department only has him on a 2 year contract. He may not even be there by the time you graduate"
Which message do you think resonates with a 17yr old kid and his family. I'm not saying there isn't still negative recruiting, but you can't keep someone on that short of a leash in their contract and expect it not to be a message from other schools recruiting the same player.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:36 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
If you don't think recruiters from Bama, Florida, OSU, etc. can negatively sell a small buyout, then I don't know what to say.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:40 pm to BigSlick
which of Orgerons peers is getting a raise and/or extension for finishing 3rd in the division. did Kentucky and Mark Stoops just hammer out a new contract yesterday?
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:43 pm to Dave England
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f you don't think recruiters from Bama, Florida, OSU, etc. can negatively sell a small buyout, then I don't know what to say.
Miles landed a #7 class as a lame duck that was twisting in the wind a couple months before signing day.
nobody on the planet thought he had any long term stability left at LSU.
so if he can do it, then why does master recruiter Ed O need a long term extension to recruit?
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:45 pm to NotLSUSports
Extension is fine, but you make damn sure the buyout doesn’t “tie your hands” after the 2020 and 2021 seasons.
Honestly the buyout after the 2019 season doesn’t appear to be that important at the moment.
Honestly the buyout after the 2019 season doesn’t appear to be that important at the moment.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:48 pm to Nutriaitch
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so if he can do it, then why does master recruiter Ed O need a long term extension to recruit?
Posted on 11/28/18 at 12:51 pm to Nutriaitch
Shouldn’t we just blame O recruiting coordinator since that what the O haters are doing to Ed for miles recruiting mistakes.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 1:16 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Shouldn’t we just blame O recruiting coordinator since that what the O haters are doing to Ed for miles recruiting mistakes.
i don’t think any of them are blaming O completely.
they’re just pointing out that he was here and heavily involved in recruiting for a year and a half before becoming interim (2 years before becoming full time HC).
Posted on 11/28/18 at 1:20 pm to Nutriaitch
Ultimately the head coach decides WHO to recruit. The coordinator just manages everything that goes along with it. It’s laughable to blame the recruiting coordinator for poor recruiting when he’s not the one who picked the players to recruit.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 1:24 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Ultimately the head coach decides WHO to recruit. The coordinator just manages everything that goes along with it. It’s laughable to blame the recruiting coordinator for poor recruiting when he’s not the one who picked the players to recruit.
i don’t follow recruiting very closely, so this is an honest question:
how many of our targets did we not get during that time frame?
Posted on 11/28/18 at 1:31 pm to Nutriaitch
Lots, every year. When you take all the guys who have LSU offers who end up elsewhere it’s a pretty high number.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 1:32 pm to NotLSUSports
He will get the extension so just accept it.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 1:33 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Ultimately the head coach decides WHO to recruit. The coordinator just manages everything that goes along with it. It’s laughable to blame the recruiting coordinator for poor recruiting when he’s not the one who picked the players to recruit.
Don't be an idiot. You don't think the recruiting coordinator has some input into who is recruited? Another stupid O talking point.
Posted on 11/28/18 at 1:37 pm to geauxtigers6492
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Alleva just extended NC-F and she hasn't done shite to deserve it.
Did you look at the details of the extension? Her base pay stayed the same and only incentives went up. Firing her now or two years from now has the same buyout. For the record, I think she should have been fired.
Giving an extension does not mean the coach is automatically getting some huge raise and reward. Would anyone care if O got an extension with his base salary staying the same next year and increased bonuses for performance? Everyone is just getting their panties in a wad because they think he is getting a raise and huge buyout for underperforming.
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