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re: Can someone remind me why Mike can't come to games
Posted on 9/1/19 at 10:00 am to Gaspergou202
Posted on 9/1/19 at 10:00 am to Gaspergou202
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And I would like to get evidence based arguments the taking Mike to Tiger Stadium is bad.
His vet, the expert in all things related to animals, said it was too stressful.
In the world we live in, an experts opinion is plenty. If you have evidence otherwise, and the credentials to back it up, by all means. Let’s hear your rebuttal.
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Posted on 9/1/19 at 10:01 am to RoyaleWithCheese
quote:I would love this. Have the tunnel go above ground right behind the opponent's side of the field. He can sneak up and scare the hell out of them.
Hello TAF, yes please earmark my donations specifically for Mike's 50 yard line Colosseum tunnel"
Posted on 9/1/19 at 10:03 am to mhc4tigers
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One word PETA. Early on Mike did not want to get in the trailer. In earlier times apparently there was a device like a cattle prod to get him in the trailer. PETA made it an issue. So no more Mike in the stadium
LSU has chosen to not use a cattle prod to force Mike to do anything. Why someone would disagree with this stance is beyond my comprehension. We should want Mike to have the best life he could have. Electrocuting him to force him to do things we want him to do would be akin to the circus. LSU is not a circus.
Posted on 9/1/19 at 10:09 am to cas4t
I’m 100% sane. I’m sorry you have not been enlightened or had enough experience to understand how this world works.
I know exactly what we are talking about. I know exactly how this works too. As you can see, the only argument is either the preserve designation or his health. The preserve designation in a contrived way to have an answer for the masses. The health argument is the only one of real merit but it doesn’t stand because of past mikes entering the stadium. Also, it’s proven that taking a tiger out of his cage or habitat and changing his surroundings is healthy for him.
I bet you don’t even know how small mike’s cage used to be. I noticed that people don’t mention that the fireworks scare him. You know why? It because that obstacle can be removed. You know how you control a narrative? I bet you don’t.
I won’t insult you because I’m more intelligent than you.
I know exactly what we are talking about. I know exactly how this works too. As you can see, the only argument is either the preserve designation or his health. The preserve designation in a contrived way to have an answer for the masses. The health argument is the only one of real merit but it doesn’t stand because of past mikes entering the stadium. Also, it’s proven that taking a tiger out of his cage or habitat and changing his surroundings is healthy for him.
I bet you don’t even know how small mike’s cage used to be. I noticed that people don’t mention that the fireworks scare him. You know why? It because that obstacle can be removed. You know how you control a narrative? I bet you don’t.
I won’t insult you because I’m more intelligent than you.
Posted on 9/1/19 at 10:12 am to DeafVallyBatnR
Just be glad we still have a Tiger after Dr Baker killed the last one.
Posted on 9/1/19 at 10:14 am to Lickitty Split
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Also, it’s proven that taking a tiger out of his cage or habitat and changing his surroundings is healthy for him
Parading him around in a cage with 100k people yelling, fireworks, and cannons going off is not my idea of enrichment
Posted on 9/1/19 at 10:15 am to ShreveLSUport1
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The cat shouldn’t have to be put in a situation where thousands of people are screaming and handlers are teasing him to get him to roar and slap the cage. Noise lever in stadium is a problem for some people to endure. I can’t imaging what it would sound like to a cat. Call me a punk or whatever but it’s stressful for the cat just for the appeasement of people.
And yet hundreds of animals from horses, steers, eagles (one actually was in Tiger Stadium last night!), multiple dogs, tigers, sheep, goat, hog, owls, mules, wolves, roosters, falcons, ponies, buffalo, etc. have done well n similar environments.
Some Mikes actually enjoyed the ride!
Why did you have to add teasing? Slapping cage etc.? I think your argument is very weak an even you realize it. That why you attempted to buttress it with this weak arsed shite.
Just saying.
Posted on 9/1/19 at 10:19 am to DeafVallyBatnR
No.
Posted on 9/1/19 at 10:25 am to Lickitty Split
The argument was laid out quite some time ago. They attempted to get Mike in the cage, he didn’t want to, so they didn’t make him. It was clear he didn’t want to and as opposed to forcing him, they chose to let him decide.
It’s really that simple. There wasn’t a study. It isn’t because of PETA. It isn’t due to pressure from progressives. They simply made the decision to allow Mike to decide if he wanted to get in the cage or not. He chose not to, because he didn’t want to, for whatever reason. They’ve since come to realize maybe he didn’t want to because he’s not a fan of being around big crowds.
I understand you want to convolute this issue to make yourself feel smart, or more relevant, because you’re likely compensating for the fact that you’re very average in every other aspect of life. People like you tend to do this with lots of things. It’s your way of feeling like the smartest guy in the room. That’s fine, and seems to be the common theme with your ilk.
It’s really that simple. There wasn’t a study. It isn’t because of PETA. It isn’t due to pressure from progressives. They simply made the decision to allow Mike to decide if he wanted to get in the cage or not. He chose not to, because he didn’t want to, for whatever reason. They’ve since come to realize maybe he didn’t want to because he’s not a fan of being around big crowds.
I understand you want to convolute this issue to make yourself feel smart, or more relevant, because you’re likely compensating for the fact that you’re very average in every other aspect of life. People like you tend to do this with lots of things. It’s your way of feeling like the smartest guy in the room. That’s fine, and seems to be the common theme with your ilk.
Posted on 9/1/19 at 10:30 am to cas4t
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His vet, the expert in all things related to animals, said it was too stressful. In the world we live in, an experts opinion is plenty. If you have evidence otherwise, and the credentials to back it up, by all means. Let’s hear your rebuttal.
Hay finally a good argument!
But is his vet infallible? Could he possibly have a bias? As a good medical professional, did he urge the administration to get other medical opinions?
My personal doctor, MD not DVM, advised me not to keep guns in my home. I asked him what qualified him to give me advice. He said multiple studies on accidents and suicides. I asked him if he read studies about the number of lives saved per year with legal firearms, or the number of annual deaths due to medical malpractice? He said no. Obviously this was advice based upon bias and not medicine.
One tiger’s stress might be another’s excitement or “enrichment”. I’ve seen former Mikes calmly riding in their trailers inside the stadium.
Now if this Mike doesn’t enjoy it, I say don’t force him. But if he never tries, neither he or we will know.
Posted on 9/1/19 at 10:35 am to GeauxJZK
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Really dude? You’re straight trash for that statement. Maybe we should cattle prod your fat lazy arse the extra 50 feet over to mikes cage to see him since you’re so butt hurt that LSU doesn’t force a wild animal to be in an unhealthy environment for the sake of entertainment. You don’t have to be a liberal to have common sense and care about animals. SMH
God the animal lover crowd is so fricking annoying. He’s a tiger. And he gets to live in a safe environment and not starve to death, get his head stomped in by a hippopotamus, or get shot then skinned by poachers. You act like these animals aren’t exposed to uncomfortable/dangerous situations in the wild. I really don’t think that exposing him to noise and crowds 6 times a year would kill him, but then again we have crybaby pussy “animal lovers” like you screaming like banshees anytime anyone mentions that it probably wouldn’t kill him to put him in his cage and ride him around the stadium.
I really don’t understand where this ideal of him living a 1000% stress free life where he’s fed filet mignon and left alone to play in his giant pool all day long came from, when his alternative is a horrible life in the wild.
Posted on 9/1/19 at 10:36 am to Gaspergou202
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Hay finally a good argument!
But is his vet infallible? Could he possibly have a bias? As a good medical professional, did he urge the administration to get other medical opinions?
A good argument but it doesnt matter. Your mind is made up already
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My personal doctor, MD not DVM, advised me not to keep guns in my home. I asked him what qualified him to give me advice. He said multiple studies on accidents and suicides. I asked him if he read studies about the number of lives saved per year with legal firearms, or the number of annual deaths due to medical malpractice? He said no. Obviously this was advice based upon bias and not medicine.
What a terrible analogy
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Now if this Mike doesn’t enjoy it, I say don’t force him
Now you say dont force it but this was your first post in the thread
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You train an animal to want to perform behaviors you desire. Toss in some sirloin, drive him around the stadium, bring him back, and give him more delectables when he exists. Eventually he start salivating and pawing the gate when his trailer arrives.
lol
Posted on 9/1/19 at 10:40 am to KingwoodLsuFan
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It's very stressful on the animal to bring him out and be surrounded by a lot of noises and people
This pussy talk would have been unacceptable even in the 90’s. Sad to see everyone turning soft. It’s an animal. He’ll survive.
Posted on 9/1/19 at 10:43 am to Gaspergou202
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Hay finally a good argument! But is his vet infallible? Could he possibly have a bias? As a good medical professional, did he urge the administration to get other medical opinions? My personal doctor, MD not DVM, advised me not to keep guns in my home. I asked him what qualified him to give me advice. He said multiple studies on accidents and suicides. I asked him if he read studies about the number of lives saved per year with legal firearms, or the number of annual deaths due to medical malpractice? He said no. Obviously this was advice based upon bias and not medicine. One tiger’s stress might be another’s excitement or “enrichment”. I’ve seen former Mikes calmly riding in their trailers inside the stadium. Now if this Mike doesn’t enjoy it, I say don’t force him. But if he never tries, neither he or we will know.
This is just a waste of energy. And making up scenarios on this forum is not going to get Mike on the field. I encourage you to direct your attention to more important issues.
Posted on 9/1/19 at 10:47 am to DeafVallyBatnR
Why some of the old idiots want to stress out and force a beautiful, regal animal into a small cage to be paraded around the stadium is beyond me.
They used to need a cattle prod to get him into the cage. I’m sorry, and while I love tradition, it’s cruel to do that to any animal, but even more so a tiger.
Enjoy him in his beautiful enclosure literally across the street from the stadium. There’s nothing missed by having him wheeled around the stadium.
They used to need a cattle prod to get him into the cage. I’m sorry, and while I love tradition, it’s cruel to do that to any animal, but even more so a tiger.
Enjoy him in his beautiful enclosure literally across the street from the stadium. There’s nothing missed by having him wheeled around the stadium.
This post was edited on 9/1/19 at 11:00 am
Posted on 9/1/19 at 10:59 am to Gaspergou202
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Some Mikes actually enjoyed the ride!
They told you that?
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Why did you have to add teasing? Slapping cage etc.?
Because it’s relevant. Mikes were coerced into reacting and for any animal who has now been placed in a tiny cage and antagonized into reacting, I’m sure the situation for them is extremely stressful.
The real shame are the mouth breathers who will sacrifice an animal’s well-being so they can watch the cage go around the stadium on the jumbotron from their nose bleed seats
Posted on 9/1/19 at 10:59 am to Gaspergou202
You’re right! A lot of teams have live mascots and they appear in stadiums but that doesn’t mean they enjoy it. Tease? When past tigers that roar and slap the cage on the field were aggravated to do so. I don’t feel thats necessary to please 1000’s of screaming drunk folks. Hell, the Texas mascot bout killed some folks last year on the field. I guess he was enjoying his appearance.
Posted on 9/1/19 at 11:01 am to Gaspergou202
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Hay finally a good argument! But is his vet infallible? Could he possibly have a bias? As a good medical professional, did he urge the administration to get other medical opinions?
This statement shows you are not interested in an actual discussion and will not change your opinion no matter what is presented to you.
Posted on 9/1/19 at 11:16 am to stho381
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In the future, don't talk about shite you are clueless about, it makes you look like a fool.
I love it when sanctimonious jerks are spouting incorrect facts. This has occurred since last Mike. They’ve never put this Mike in the cage. So this Mike had no input on the policy.
Posted on 9/1/19 at 11:18 am to Jones
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A good argument but it doesnt matter. Your mind is made up already
Not everyone can keep a completely open mind as you obviously do!
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What a terrible analogy
Since it refuted your bias, I can understand your displeasure with it.
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Now you say dont force it but this was your first post in the thread
No.
I referenced the scientific theory of “Classical Conditioning” that was pioneered by Russian physiologist, Ivan Pavlov, in the 1890s. It’s taught in all the “good” medical schools the world over, including LSU’s School of Veterinary Medicine.
Animals can, have, and are trained to perform and even enjoy behaviors that human beings find desirable. Horses are among nature’s most high strung and skittish creatures, yet for centuries they were trained to fully function on explosive laden battle fields. I personally witnessed employees at the zoo in Hattisburg Mississippi training big cats to lean against the bars of their enclosures so blood samples could be drawn.
I’ve helped train dozens of beagles to hunt rabbits in gun hunts. Some are not bothered by a gun’s report from the very beginning, most are a little cautious and taken aback by it, and some are definitely gun-shy. We managed to train all but one dog to enjoy gun hunts.
And how about the one gun-shy dog that we failed to train? He became a well loved family pet who died of old age in his favorite bed surrounded by our family. Now I personally find it strange that I actually feel the need to tell you about Beau the gun-shy beagle. But I detect in your unbiased, fair minded, open mind a distinct tendency on your part to assign nefarious motives to any and all who would disagree with you.
I think this says a lot about your mental processes, and none of them are good. The “You must be evil because I disagree with you” is the bane of modern society and civilized debate.
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