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Posted on 1/21/21 at 12:50 pm to GumboPot
And the defenses he played were really bad
Posted on 1/21/21 at 1:00 pm to GumboPot
Brennan, and the LSU offense in general was terrible at third down conversions and red zone last year, you know the most important offensive situations. Brennan had a really bad habit of checking down and throwing short of the sticks on third down even when he had an open man downfield. Part of that was lacking time to run through his progressions due to his o-line not picking up rushers.
If you look more closely, you’ll find that Brennan had an extremely high completion percentage on 3rd downs, one of the highest in cfb,, but those passes never seemed to be enough for a first down.
What I don’t know is whether that was a failure of coaching philosophy/scheme/playcalling, a failure of the qb to quickly and decisively make the right read, a failure of the o-line to give the qb sufficient time to make his reads, or a failure of his hbs and checkdown targets to shed blockers and pickup yards after catch and after initial contact.
If you look more closely, you’ll find that Brennan had an extremely high completion percentage on 3rd downs, one of the highest in cfb,, but those passes never seemed to be enough for a first down.
What I don’t know is whether that was a failure of coaching philosophy/scheme/playcalling, a failure of the qb to quickly and decisively make the right read, a failure of the o-line to give the qb sufficient time to make his reads, or a failure of his hbs and checkdown targets to shed blockers and pickup yards after catch and after initial contact.
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 1/21/21 at 1:04 pm to GumboPot
And doing things like going 5 wide on 3rd down and terrible playcalling coupled with awful offensive line play had nothing to do with that...
Posted on 1/21/21 at 1:04 pm to LifeAquatic
Well the stats they gave are incorrect. They include 3rd down runs as passes which makes no sense at all. His 3rd down conversion rate wasn't 9-39 (23%), it was 7-25 (28%) which also included 7 completions that were short of the sticks and 3 additional first down conversions on 4th down after those completions. So he actually converted on 40% of those down sets which is almost double what the manipulated stats that were given say.
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 1/21/21 at 1:04 pm to GumboPot
Stats matter.. until they don't. Wins and losses matter more.
While MB was the starter, we lost to Miss St, beat Vandy and Lost to Missouri. And yes, our D was gawd awful. We were terrible on 3rd down.
Finley started the next 5 games (right?) and we beat S Carolina, got hammered by Auburn, beat Arkansas, scored 7 against A&M and got demolished by Bama.
Then, Max Johnson started the last 2 games and we beat Florida and Ole Miss.
Read this again. And then once more. Now if you had to take a guess, who starts against UCLA???
I love the fact that we have this much talent and experience in our QB room. We'll be fine at QB for the next 3-5 years.... which is WAY better than we ever were during the Les Miles era.
QB ain't our problem boss.
While MB was the starter, we lost to Miss St, beat Vandy and Lost to Missouri. And yes, our D was gawd awful. We were terrible on 3rd down.
Finley started the next 5 games (right?) and we beat S Carolina, got hammered by Auburn, beat Arkansas, scored 7 against A&M and got demolished by Bama.
Then, Max Johnson started the last 2 games and we beat Florida and Ole Miss.
Read this again. And then once more. Now if you had to take a guess, who starts against UCLA???
I love the fact that we have this much talent and experience in our QB room. We'll be fine at QB for the next 3-5 years.... which is WAY better than we ever were during the Les Miles era.
QB ain't our problem boss.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 1:09 pm to bstew3006
quote:I complete agree. Strong arm, but I just don't see the "it" factor with him.
I don't understand the love affair with MB...
And there are people on the board saying he'll go early to the NFL after next season. Wow.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 1:10 pm to Madking
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He produced more yards and threw for more TDs than our other QBs period, end of story.
That’s not the end of the story at all. 1-2 as a starter is another part of it, and his lack of mobility.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 1:12 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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The D lost us games early
As bad as they were, they weren’t why we lost to Mizzou.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 1:19 pm to Nix to Twillie
I didn’t know Myles Brennan was responsible for playing all 11 positions on defense as well? Assigning blame to him for things he has zero control over doesn’t change the fact that he was our most productive QB. It’s funny only the Brennan haters use these ridiculous double standards or bash our players. You don’t see people who think Brennan is our guy attacking Max Jets. I guess when you deviate from facts it’s inevitable that you’ll end up bashing someone.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 1:25 pm to Madking
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You don’t see people who think Brennan is our guy attacking Max
This is true. If you have to try to tear down the other guy in your argument, it means there aren’t enough positives for the guy you are arguing for to make your point.
Like I and many others have said, we have a good problem on our hands.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 1:41 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Exactly, there’s nothing wrong with having depth at QB and it’s perfectly ok to be a fan of both players.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 1:52 pm to Madking
I’d also caution those anointing Max the starter that in 2014 Brandon Harris almost led a comeback against MSU and led our stagnant offense to 63 points against New Mexico the next week only to start against Auburn and suck.
The next year they protected him in the beginning of the year and then he had a great game against Florida before completely falling apart against Bama, Ole Miss, and Arkansas.
His 3rd year he shut the bed against Wisky and lost his job completely the following week.
My point is that early success in a few games doesn’t always equate to long term success. I obviously think Max showed a lot more cerebral and mechanical positives than Harris ever did but the point still stands that 2 good games doesn’t always predict the future.
We will see in the spring and fall who our best QB is.
The next year they protected him in the beginning of the year and then he had a great game against Florida before completely falling apart against Bama, Ole Miss, and Arkansas.
His 3rd year he shut the bed against Wisky and lost his job completely the following week.
My point is that early success in a few games doesn’t always equate to long term success. I obviously think Max showed a lot more cerebral and mechanical positives than Harris ever did but the point still stands that 2 good games doesn’t always predict the future.
We will see in the spring and fall who our best QB is.
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:05 pm to GumboPot
LSU had 80 yards rushing vs MSU at 2.1 per carry and vs MIZZOU LSU had 49 yards for 2.5 yards per carry
Vs Florida, LSU at 179 yards at 3.6 yards per carry and vs Ole Miss LSU had 158 yards at 3.7 yards per carry.
Also LSU was sacked 9 times in total vs MIZZOU and MSU AND 3 times in total vs Florida and ole miss and those sacks especially vs MSU were often extremely untimely
So you could certainly argue that under Johnson the offense as a whole operated more efficiently and was far less one dimensional and predictable. LSU out possessed both Florida and ole miss with an average time of possession of 32.35 and they were out possessed by MIZZOU and Mississippi state with an average time of possession of 29.21. Which may not seem like much but is certainly crucial to a young hurting defense with several players out
Vs Florida, LSU at 179 yards at 3.6 yards per carry and vs Ole Miss LSU had 158 yards at 3.7 yards per carry.
Also LSU was sacked 9 times in total vs MIZZOU and MSU AND 3 times in total vs Florida and ole miss and those sacks especially vs MSU were often extremely untimely
So you could certainly argue that under Johnson the offense as a whole operated more efficiently and was far less one dimensional and predictable. LSU out possessed both Florida and ole miss with an average time of possession of 32.35 and they were out possessed by MIZZOU and Mississippi state with an average time of possession of 29.21. Which may not seem like much but is certainly crucial to a young hurting defense with several players out
Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:06 pm to Madking
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Assigning blame to him for things he has zero control over
I mentioned his lack of mobility. That’s on the defense?
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only the Brennan haters use these ridiculous double standards or bash our players.
This again.
Just because I point out things that bother me about a player does not mean I’m “bashing” him. That’s like me saying you think Myles is a perfect QB and can do no wrong. If the coaches decide to ride with Myles then I will trust them. In just my personal opinion as of right now I saw more out of Max than I did Myles.
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when you deviate from facts
Here is a fact that is important to me:
Rushing yards: Max 119, Myles -36.
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:08 pm to Madking
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These people don’t even factor in that we ran the ball and didn’t get a lot of those 3rd downs. It wasn’t Brennan throwing it on 3rd every time.
No, but it was a lot Brennan incompletion on 1st down, Brennan incompletion on 2nd down that lead to 3rd and 10 for Brennan. He had a decent completion % but when he was down he was out. He really didn’t have a lot “playmaking ability” when it mattered most!
Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:23 pm to GumboPot
what was the average yards to go for the two? I feel like due to lack of running the ball and the OL play to start the season we were in 3rd and long most of the time.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:27 pm to Andychapman13
quote:Also had a lot to do with the fact that brennan's lack of awareness in the pocket and not being a substantial threat to run meant that our running game was just not as efficient
No, but it was a lot Brennan incompletion on 1st down, Brennan incompletion on 2nd down that lead to 3rd and 10 for Brennan. He had a decent completion % but when he was down he was out. He really didn’t have a lot “playmaking ability” when it mattered most!
2.1 yards and 2.5 yards per carry vs msu and mizzou, an average of 65 rushing yards. That has a significant amount to do with his brennan's presence and the pocket and the one dimensional aspect of our offense. He is a hell of a slinger though, i won't take that from him
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:32 pm to GumboPot
Pretty much reason we post to mizzu if memory serves me right.
That and this unit referred to as defense of course
That and this unit referred to as defense of course
Posted on 1/21/21 at 2:52 pm to Madking
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He produced more yards and threw for more TDs than our other QBs period, end of story.
Mississippi State
Vanderbilt
Missouri
End of story
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