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re: Brennan had good stats but his 3rd down conversion rate was terrible.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 11:50 am to GumboPot
Posted on 1/21/21 at 11:50 am to GumboPot
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I get it. It's loyalty. MB is a great Tiger. With that said being a great Tiger does not mean you have a right to start at the QB position.
1000% agree.
Loyalty and sticking it out as a backup, doesn't mean you're the Best player at your position.
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Posted on 1/21/21 at 11:52 am to bstew3006
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Loyalty and sticking it out as a backup, doesn't mean you're the Best player at your position.
Unfortunately winning cuz your opponent threw a shoe and lighting up one of the worst defenses in the country doesn't mean your the best either.
Again, I don't know why everyone feels the need to declare the better player based on 3 game sample sizes from each QB.
They will battle in the offseason and the better man will start.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 11:55 am to GumboPot
We also had extremely long 3rd downs. We were averaging 9+ yards to go on third.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 11:57 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Unfortunately winning cuz your opponent threw a shoe and lighting up one of the worst defenses in the country doesn't mean your the best either.
Agreed
But you defended MB bc of bad D, The OC, and OL...which Max played with as well.
Im not calling Max the starter, I just don't understand everyone anointing MB off 3 starts and a 1-2 record vs terrible teams
Posted on 1/21/21 at 11:58 am to bstew3006
Myles couldn't sustain drives because he was usually looking at third and long. Also as you mentioned the play calling was shite. There was essentially zero running game and Oline play was shite. Despite his flaws Myles kept us in the MSU and Mizzou game.
Max played well and will compete for the job.
Max played well and will compete for the job.
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 1/21/21 at 11:59 am to bstew3006
Because he was more productive with less help and shouldering more responsibility.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 12:01 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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There should be a competition and may the best man win.
We need to all take a step back and appreciate the talent in our QB room and let the chips fall where they may when that time comes.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 12:02 pm to Madking
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Because he was more productive with less help and shouldering more responsibility.
Who had less help, MB?
MB had Gilbert and Marshall...
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 1/21/21 at 12:06 pm to Madking
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Because he was more productive with less help and shouldering more responsibility.
Didn't Brennan have Marshall, Gilbert, and all the running backs available, while Max had the 3rd and 4th string running backs who weren't injured at the end of the year and Boutte? Clearly Johnson was working with the least experienced group.
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 1/21/21 at 12:09 pm to bstew3006
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Im not calling Max the starter, I just don't understand everyone anointing MB off 3 starts and a 1-2 record vs terrible teams
I 100% agree. I started off doing just as you stated in this thread but have since changed my mind and will back the guy that is named starter.
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But you defended MB bc of bad D, The OC, and OL...which Max played with as well.
The play calling improved given that we actually tried to run the ball later in the year to give our Fr QBs better down and distances.
The OL improved drastically the last 2 games. Someone posted pressure rates and Brennan was pressured on 60% of 3rd downs while Max was only pressured on 30%. That matters and probably has a lot to do with the play calling putting the O in better positions.
The D, while not great forced, 8 TOs in the last 2 games compared to 5 in the first 3 games.
I get that Max played great but we barely won against Florida where we won the TO battle 3-0 and had a pick six and had an early game goal line stand. And we barely beat Ole Miss with a 5-1 TO differential.
Max played great but the difference in winning those games and losing the early season games was the turnovers.
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 1/21/21 at 12:14 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
What no one wants is to give the position to Brennan simply because of seniority after only having played 3 games at the beginning of the season. If he's not a cut above this spring or ends up being completely unavailable, he should not be starting, IMO. If Brennan is even with Johnson during the spring then Brennan should be uncomfortable with that situation. And Orgeron should be even more uncomfortable with that situation when it comes to naming a starter.
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 1/21/21 at 12:14 pm to GumboPot
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Third down conversion rate by starting QB:
Brennan - 3 games, 9 out of 39 at 23% conversion rate.
Finley - 5 games, 32 out of 82 at 39% conversion rate.
Johnson - 2 games, 13 out of 31 at 42% conversion rate.
These stats mean dick without down and distance included. Also, how many of these were converted by a running back on 3rd and short?
The playcalling was much more conservative with the freshman. Lots of manageable 3rd downs to help keep pressure off of them. I don't think it's a surprise that E retired and Linehan was shown the door.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 12:16 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Play calling put him in a lot of 3rd and 10s.
yeah. There was a conscious effort made to put TJ in 3rd and shorts. We ran the ball 20 times against Mizzou and 52 times against USC.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 12:17 pm to GumboPot
sounds like it's a two fold issue.
1 - lack of a running game meant long down and distance
2 - Linehan was a shitty play caller and schemer for third down situations
1 - lack of a running game meant long down and distance
2 - Linehan was a shitty play caller and schemer for third down situations
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 1/21/21 at 12:20 pm to bayou85
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yeah. There was a conscious effort made to put TJ in 3rd and shorts. We ran the ball 20 times against Mizzou and 52 times against USC.
And what about the next week when they tried to run the ball that much but couldn't against Auburn? See how that works? A conscious effort does not always equal success.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 12:21 pm to GumboPot
There were a lot of dropped passes that would have been 3rd down conversations. Marshall dropped several of them.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 12:22 pm to Will2nd
I didn’t mean personnel I meant help as in production. No running game, historically bad defense, 5 dropped passes per game and offensive line in poor shape. Yes we had a couple name brand guys but for example giving Emery 1 touch the week after running wild vs Vanderbilt isn’t really providing much help.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 12:26 pm to Will2nd
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And what about the next week when they tried to run the ball that much but couldn't against Auburn? See how that works? A conscious effort does not always equal success.
Interesting. Let's take a look:
State - 38 rushes for 80 yards and 0 TDs. 2.11 YPC.
Vandy - 32 rushes for 161 yards and 1 TD. 5.03 YPC.
Missouri - 20 rushes for 49 yards and 1 TD. 2.45 YPC.
Auburn - 27 rushes for 32 yards and 0 TDs. 1.19 YPC.
Myles may not have been great, but he showed he can at least keep the game competitive when the running game is shut down.
This post was edited on 1/21/21 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 1/21/21 at 12:28 pm to Will2nd
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And what about the next week when they tried to run the ball that much but couldn't against Auburn?
well yeah, but AU had a better defense than any we'd played to that point.
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See how that works?
yeah. Playing better defenses causes your stats to go down.
Posted on 1/21/21 at 12:29 pm to GumboPot
I agree that he wasn't very good on 3rd down, but 3 games' worth of 3rd down stats isn't enough to be of much predictive value.
I really just think brennan's poor 3rd down stats were a product of small sample size, a lackluster OL, and poor situational playcalling. Not only did all of those things improve as the season went along, but they should be even further improved next year.
Myles was also one of the most explosive downfield passers in the SEC through the first 3 weeks--if we can pair that with the success rate/move-the-chains type efficiency we found as the season went along, we should be a-ok.
I really just think brennan's poor 3rd down stats were a product of small sample size, a lackluster OL, and poor situational playcalling. Not only did all of those things improve as the season went along, but they should be even further improved next year.
Myles was also one of the most explosive downfield passers in the SEC through the first 3 weeks--if we can pair that with the success rate/move-the-chains type efficiency we found as the season went along, we should be a-ok.
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