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Posted on 7/25/15 at 10:19 am to CRAZY 4 LSU
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remember in passes of 15 yards of more, we had more interceptions that completions allowed
That secondary was nasty!
Posted on 7/25/15 at 10:26 am to Fight4LSU
Defense should be a strength of the team.
Returning starters and mostly experienced backups.
I don't have a ball hawking Honey Badger to point to, but I will mention that Beckwith will start and play a whole season at Mike. I don't think you can put a price on what that will mean when it's all said and done.
Another added plus is that the man responsible for taking so long to insert Beckwith in the middle is gone. Some may disagree with me, but Chavis checked out long before events unfolded last year.
I speculated often on this site about his impending retirement. It was the only thing that made sense. Sure enough, A&M gave him his retirement package. LSU will be a better defensive squad because of his departure. I know the players liked him, but he wasn't doing the team any favors, and it didn't take them long to realize it when the shite hit the fan.
I finally re watched the Bama game recently. The one biggest factor of success in that game was the play of Beckwith. When he had to leave the field, Bama scored their only regulation TD. Remember all those drops by Cooper? They were all slants toward the middle of the field. That's the kind of difference Beckwith makes.
If you don't believe me and you have a clue about what you're watching, go back and re-watch the Bama game, isolating on the Mike position, and you will have no choice but to see what I am saying.
Returning starters and mostly experienced backups.
I don't have a ball hawking Honey Badger to point to, but I will mention that Beckwith will start and play a whole season at Mike. I don't think you can put a price on what that will mean when it's all said and done.
Another added plus is that the man responsible for taking so long to insert Beckwith in the middle is gone. Some may disagree with me, but Chavis checked out long before events unfolded last year.
I speculated often on this site about his impending retirement. It was the only thing that made sense. Sure enough, A&M gave him his retirement package. LSU will be a better defensive squad because of his departure. I know the players liked him, but he wasn't doing the team any favors, and it didn't take them long to realize it when the shite hit the fan.
I finally re watched the Bama game recently. The one biggest factor of success in that game was the play of Beckwith. When he had to leave the field, Bama scored their only regulation TD. Remember all those drops by Cooper? They were all slants toward the middle of the field. That's the kind of difference Beckwith makes.
If you don't believe me and you have a clue about what you're watching, go back and re-watch the Bama game, isolating on the Mike position, and you will have no choice but to see what I am saying.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 10:28 am to chilge1
Adams was drawing comparisons to Mathieu as soon as he showed up. Mathieu is almost impossible to recreate though, but Adams will be fun to watch.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 10:37 am to OzChuffnugg
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Mathieu is almost impossible to recreate though, but Adams will be fun to watch.
Dwayne Thomas was going to be that guy... in the first 5 games of 2014, he was second on the team in tackles with a couple sacks and a couple turnovers.
An ACL tear and a burglary charge later, I doubt he ever realizes that potential.
Can you imagine how nasty the secondary would be this year with Tre White, Dwayne Thomas, Rashard Robinson, Kevin Tolliver, Ed Paris, Jamal Adams, and Jalen Mills?
Posted on 7/25/15 at 10:50 am to chilge1
Going into 2011 everybody's main concern was with the DTs. It was considered a weakness before the season started. How quickly you all forget.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 10:55 am to jasonthetiger
I argued this in the other thread. I don't see it. The dline doesn't have 3 1st-round talents across it with a 2nd rounder. We rotated somewhere around 10 defensive lineman. How many young lineman did you see LSU rotate last year? That tells you all you need to know. They weren't ready. Granted, they can mature fast but the odds are very unlikely. We got extremely lucky with that line in 2011 and it doesn't happen very often regardless what school you are.
It's really unrealistic and unfair to say these guys are going to be like the 2011 defense. Can it happen? Absolutely. Is it likely? Not really. LSU rotated a lot of lineman even the year before 2011 but our problem on defense since 2013 has been the line. Teams were killing Chavis defenses at the end of games because we had 0 pass rush from the line. That's why Miles smartly went out and got Coach O. No domination in the trenches don't expect to get anywhere in the SEC. It's that simple.
Defense all hinges on the defensive line development this year. That's the key area. Defense is going to be good I just don't think it's going to be 2011 good...call me crazy or w/e. That's one of the best NCAA defenses the past 15 years easily and even with recruiting like LSU it's not easy to recreate. It's even harder now since everyone has more incentive to leave early for the NFL since rookie cap prevents players seeing value coming back their senior seasons.
It's really unrealistic and unfair to say these guys are going to be like the 2011 defense. Can it happen? Absolutely. Is it likely? Not really. LSU rotated a lot of lineman even the year before 2011 but our problem on defense since 2013 has been the line. Teams were killing Chavis defenses at the end of games because we had 0 pass rush from the line. That's why Miles smartly went out and got Coach O. No domination in the trenches don't expect to get anywhere in the SEC. It's that simple.
Defense all hinges on the defensive line development this year. That's the key area. Defense is going to be good I just don't think it's going to be 2011 good...call me crazy or w/e. That's one of the best NCAA defenses the past 15 years easily and even with recruiting like LSU it's not easy to recreate. It's even harder now since everyone has more incentive to leave early for the NFL since rookie cap prevents players seeing value coming back their senior seasons.
This post was edited on 7/25/15 at 10:59 am
Posted on 7/25/15 at 10:57 am to jasonthetiger
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If the defense is nasty like 2011 and the offense can run on all 8 cylinders we can win most of our games. What do you think?
Probably we have to compare the level of competition between this season and 2011 too. In 2011 we dominated (at least from the scores) all our opponents, except Alabama. We'll play the same 5 SEC West teams (Bama, Auburn, Ark, MSU, UM) plus UF & W.Ky. as in 2011. In addition we'll face TxA&M, USC, Syracuse, McNeese (compared to Oregon, W.Va., UKy, UTenn in 2011 regular season).
Can we dominate most our opponents this year like 2011? Probably not. Can we win most of the games? Believe so!
GEAUX TIGERS!!!
Posted on 7/25/15 at 11:19 am to deuce985
The DL tlent isn't as bad as it has looked the last few years. Even when we've had talented guys (Hunter) they haven't come close to reaching their potential.
Ed O > Brick, and by a very wide margin.
I think a lot of people are going to wonder where all these guys were last year oce the season starts and the DL is the best looking one we've had since that 2011 team.
It's not like these guys are scrubs. They just have been coached up in a few years.
Ed O > Brick, and by a very wide margin.
I think a lot of people are going to wonder where all these guys were last year oce the season starts and the DL is the best looking one we've had since that 2011 team.
It's not like these guys are scrubs. They just have been coached up in a few years.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 11:25 am to jasonthetiger
It's true that our dline won't be as good as the 2011 bunch, but they will be good. Also, we don't have the Honey Badger, and that was big. The rest of the secondary is at least as good as 2011.
This year's team has two HUGE advantages over 2011. The 2015 LBs are better at every position. But the biggest advantage is the oline. This year's oline is elite. The 2011 oline was poor. It was below average for an SEC power. You can quote all the statistics in the world, and it won't change the fact that the four guys who drove that offense were standing on the sideline - Montgomery, Mingo, Logan and especially Brockers. They kept giving the ball back until the other team broke.
This year's team has two HUGE advantages over 2011. The 2015 LBs are better at every position. But the biggest advantage is the oline. This year's oline is elite. The 2011 oline was poor. It was below average for an SEC power. You can quote all the statistics in the world, and it won't change the fact that the four guys who drove that offense were standing on the sideline - Montgomery, Mingo, Logan and especially Brockers. They kept giving the ball back until the other team broke.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 11:25 am to jasonthetiger
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He is going to rely allot on the defense
Oh frick me. Just great.. so more playing it tight to try to win late..
Posted on 7/25/15 at 11:27 am to Skillet
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Why, with all the supposed talent we have on offense would we want to rely mostly on the defense?
Exactly.. Maybe we will actually take chances on offense and if there were mistakes then we could rely on the defense. but I want LSU to start scoring TDs.. I don't even care how many yards we pass for.. we just need to get it in the end zone.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 11:27 am to jasonthetiger
No. Our defensive line may be really good, though.
2011 defense had a Heisman finalist. For that reason, I disagree.
Tyrann turned games around for us. He was unstoppable.
2011 defense had a Heisman finalist. For that reason, I disagree.
Tyrann turned games around for us. He was unstoppable.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 11:36 am to tigah paw
"Our schedule is easier..."
The difficulty of schedule is what made 2011 special. All competitive games against the best teams. Beat the winners of all the major bowls including the Sugar Bowl.
ETA: It ain't just the talent level, it's how well they focus and compete. Les's coaching in 2011 was the best of any in the last 60 years.
The difficulty of schedule is what made 2011 special. All competitive games against the best teams. Beat the winners of all the major bowls including the Sugar Bowl.
ETA: It ain't just the talent level, it's how well they focus and compete. Les's coaching in 2011 was the best of any in the last 60 years.
This post was edited on 7/25/15 at 11:43 am
Posted on 7/25/15 at 11:39 am to CajunPhil
And, let's be honest, our season really hinges on the Alabama game, which is in Tuscaloosa.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 12:06 pm to monsterballads
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really going to miss valentine and Lmfao... whatever reasons of their own doing, they were still highly talented kids.
Potential never won or lost a football game.
Hell, potential never made a tackle for loss or scored any points. I thought highly of those kids, Valentine particularly (I always thought LMFAO had character questions).
But, as always, we win or lose based on the kids who suit up and play - not the ones that don't, period.
This post was edited on 7/25/15 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 7/25/15 at 12:18 pm to Brazos
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I'll take an undefeated season with a loss in the NC in a heartbeat over an 8-5 year.
So would everybody else.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 12:24 pm to OU812
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This dline is not close to the 2011 dline.
The interior is closer than you think. LaCouture put up Bennie Logan type numbers last season. And Godchaux wasn't too far off either without knowing what he was really doing. Now that Godchaux understands his responsibility better along with the play-calls without LaCouture having to help so much. They can both pin their ears back a bit more. The key is finding diruptive play-makers at the DE position. 4 to be exact.
That's what makes this seem unlikely, but I would think Les Miles knows what he's seeing on the defensive side because he relies on it so heavily.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 12:26 pm to GeauxToBed
Don't disagree but we've had a lot of attrition on the line past few years it seems. DEs have a lot of inexperience and could make or break the defense this year.
Posted on 7/25/15 at 12:29 pm to jasonthetiger
I don't get why people think our defensive line will be weak. LaCouture and Godchaux are going to be outstanding with Beckwith backing them up. The middle of the defense will finally be shut down this year. Our ends and OLBs are experienced, insanely fast, and technically sound with the additions of Steele and Orgeron.
The secondary is second to none. Not many teams will be able to throw the ball on LSU. White is going to completely shut down his man which gives our safeties the ability to double cover other wide receivers.
On offense, our OL should be better than years past on paper. A lot of the difficulties last year came from changing to a predominantly zone blocking scheme which none of the backs were used to. Pass protection was good at the start of the year but wore down towards the end.
Our RB room is the most talented in the nation, bar none, nothing else to say here.
TEs and FBs should play well and give us what we need to win games.
WRs should greatly benefit from Tony Ball. I'm more excited about Tony Ball teaching our WRs probably than Steele and Orgeron. We've done very well at recruiting WRs but have done a poor job at developing them in the recent years. None of the WRs in 2014 should've been starting at a school like LSU, but when you lose 4 WRs with tons of experience it's bound to happen.
Finally, at QB. I don't get all of the hoopla about the position. We have been fine with terrible QB play and we could do fine with it this year. The difference is having Cam Cameron teaching the QBs since 2013 compared to QB situations of the past. I expect to see a huge jump from Jennings or Harris this season in their fundamentals, leadership, and football IQ.
Overall, this team is not like the 2011 team, but the results can be similar. We have quality depth at every position and there's no reason why we shouldn't get to at least 9 games. We are better on paper than every team we will be facing this year.
The secondary is second to none. Not many teams will be able to throw the ball on LSU. White is going to completely shut down his man which gives our safeties the ability to double cover other wide receivers.
On offense, our OL should be better than years past on paper. A lot of the difficulties last year came from changing to a predominantly zone blocking scheme which none of the backs were used to. Pass protection was good at the start of the year but wore down towards the end.
Our RB room is the most talented in the nation, bar none, nothing else to say here.
TEs and FBs should play well and give us what we need to win games.
WRs should greatly benefit from Tony Ball. I'm more excited about Tony Ball teaching our WRs probably than Steele and Orgeron. We've done very well at recruiting WRs but have done a poor job at developing them in the recent years. None of the WRs in 2014 should've been starting at a school like LSU, but when you lose 4 WRs with tons of experience it's bound to happen.
Finally, at QB. I don't get all of the hoopla about the position. We have been fine with terrible QB play and we could do fine with it this year. The difference is having Cam Cameron teaching the QBs since 2013 compared to QB situations of the past. I expect to see a huge jump from Jennings or Harris this season in their fundamentals, leadership, and football IQ.
Overall, this team is not like the 2011 team, but the results can be similar. We have quality depth at every position and there's no reason why we shouldn't get to at least 9 games. We are better on paper than every team we will be facing this year.
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