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re: Batting average with RISP and pinch-hitting BA. (season to date)
Posted on 6/5/25 at 3:49 pm to LSUButt
Posted on 6/5/25 at 3:49 pm to LSUButt
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Back to OP, nothing crazy but seeing Frey’s so high is eye popping. Not going to happen or really suggesting it should, but Curiel being an OBP machine and mostly a singles/gap to gap hitter…then Dickinson last 6+ weeks becoming more of a contact guy (outside of game 1 regional)…I wouldn’t mind seeing Curiel/Dickinson/Frey with his ability to drive in runs
I wouldn't be upset with this at all. JJ seems to put his best hitter as #2 and I would rather that be Frey over Jones if that were the options.
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Posted on 6/5/25 at 4:13 pm to josh336
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Because if all else is even, with a runner at 2nd, and a favorable count, the pitcher is going to throw his best pitch regardless of you being the 4 hole or the 7 hole
Yea thats the point. If there's no one in scoring position the 8 hole hitter is not necessarily going to get his best pitch, but with a RISP he is. So the average with RISP is not random
Posted on 6/5/25 at 4:15 pm to LC4Tigers
Those are all good points. I guess comparing the delta between a players average with RISP vs the mean with RISP would be more useful
Posted on 6/5/25 at 4:20 pm to notbilly
So if your ever put Jones and Frey in the middle of the order you’d score more runs.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 4:31 pm to notbilly
It is random and useless you throw in the role of the player and who they are hitting against (righty versus lefty). Applaud the effort.
Jake Brown ended the SEC with a .111 BA versus lefties (and it wasn’t just a few ABs). He had 2 hits versus Mizzou and one against a lefty for another team- that’s it.
Josh Pearson’s OB% is really good. HE GETS ON BASE. His Ba versus lefties are reverse splits.
With all the righties that pitched this past weekend, Brown was the better choice. Versus WV, his arse better be on the bench.
Jake Brown ended the SEC with a .111 BA versus lefties (and it wasn’t just a few ABs). He had 2 hits versus Mizzou and one against a lefty for another team- that’s it.
Josh Pearson’s OB% is really good. HE GETS ON BASE. His Ba versus lefties are reverse splits.
With all the righties that pitched this past weekend, Brown was the better choice. Versus WV, his arse better be on the bench.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 4:33 pm to lsu711
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I’m not sure I would have guessed within 100 points of that.
He is afraid to publish the OB%, BA vs lefties vs righties and compare that to Brown.
It isn’t comparable when it comes to match-ups on lefties. About 200+ points difference to Pearson’s favor.
Pearson vs lefty
Brown versus righty
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 6/5/25 at 4:35 pm to notbilly
That is very interesting. Thanks for putting that together.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 4:39 pm to notbilly
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Some guys handle pressure better, and that's in any sport
maybe so but this has been studied and it turns out that with enough data, players that you thought were clutch or not clutch just Perform the same at the plate.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 4:41 pm to Yeti_Chaser
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It shows who can hit tougher pitching and often times who hits breaking balls the best
if pitchers think they can get you out with tougher pitches and breaking balls etc they will do it with nobody on base.
clutch is not a thing, its been studied.
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Posted on 6/5/25 at 4:47 pm to Yeti_Chaser
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Do you disagree that pitchers pitch differently based on the situation? Are you more likely to get a fastball in a 3-0 count? Is an 8 hole hitter more likely to see better pitches than a leadoff hitter? Now what if there's a runner on 2nd?
if those things happen, then better batters will manage it better, and worse hitters will be worse. so you can just use the plain normal stats you dont need smaller sample RISP or high leverage situation stats.
lets say you have Ben nippolt and Dylan crews. and lets say by chance nippolt has great RISP numbers and crews does not and they are both available to pinch hit. play crews. ignore the RISP numbers. its statistical noise.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 7:01 pm to Mandtgr47
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Wtf made you the baseball voice on here? If I'm OPi just ignore you like most people normally do. You try and act like you are some expert when most know that you are just an emotional poster on here that is always trying to sound like you know more than the average poster. Some of you people on here it is comical. I can't imagine what you would be like if you had witnessed all 7 national championships real time....like some of us.
Let me end this shite discussion now.
He is correct though. The stats posted are indeed random. It is a very tiny subset of a much larger dataset not published in his post. It in fact doesn’t measure “clutchness” as most believe because it is always situational what “clutch means. If you’re tied 1-1 in the 8th, and it is 2 outs with a runner on second, that is FAR FAR different than in a 10-2 game in the 7th and 2 on with 2 outs.
Isn’t that true?
Brown is HORRIBLE vs lefties. .111 BA in the conference. How the hell that “clutch”. Dude had 2 of his 3 hits versus Mizzou in that first series.
Want to measure his arse on “clutchness” versus a lefty in the SEC? I don’t think so and this weekend it was the same shite. That’s why he sits that first game u til the lefty is out of the game.
You want “clutchness” look at Bregman in 2022 WS run. Should have been MVP. It wasn’t the average as much as it was when he hit in the situation.
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:23 pm to Yeti_Chaser
So if it really is a thing, surely you can name a couple of the best clutch hitters of all time. We should all know who they are, with stats to back it up
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:44 pm to josh336
It’s hard to believe people still argue clutch and RISP. There’s way too much data showing that it isn’t a thing. In a sport obsessed with numbers, some don’t want to believe this, but choose to use data sets from the same source to argue the value of a player.
Posted on 6/5/25 at 8:54 pm to LC4Tigers
Yeah there is a lot to consider when there are RISP. Did the at-bat result in moving the runners?
If Milan is asked to bunt the runners over, that counts again his BA unless he reaches safely to first.
If Milan is asked to bunt the runners over, that counts again his BA unless he reaches safely to first.
This post was edited on 6/5/25 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 6/5/25 at 9:20 pm to clamdip
That’s not true
Posted on 6/6/25 at 5:22 am to clamdip
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If Milan is asked to bunt the runners over, that counts again his BA unless he reaches safely to first.
a sacrifice does not count as an at bat, so it has no impact on BA.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 8:02 am to Tiger1988
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Tiger1988
This dude has a weird obsession with Brown.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 9:38 am to jamarr
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its random. players don't actually try harder and not try at other times.
Right. But when there is RISP it is a sign that the pitcher might not be at his best. So averages should be higher.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 7:11 pm to FredbullTN
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This dude has a weird obsession with Brown.
Go to the top of the post and read the response to the person pushing for Brown to start versus lefties.
Then you ignored everything else in the post about the randomness of the stat posted. It is pure shite post by the OP and a tiny subset of data that explains situational hitting.
Posted on 6/6/25 at 8:10 pm to jamarr
I don't know. We all had that player on their middle or high school team that would absolutely crumble under pressure and never came through. My friend would get so nervous in big time situations, that he'd literally peck his head like a chicken. A random tic. Probably .050 with RISP.
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