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Baker vs. House Battle - This seasons LSU Defensive Talent

Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:49 am
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:49 am
House coached LSU to the 34th best Defensive last season. The Defense won the Bama game by holding Bama to FGs and forcing a turnover in the endzone.

Baker had Mizzo at 56 last season, but I don't know anything about their play b/c I don't follow Mizzo.

We all know the story of this season. Did House just turn retarded on Defensive coaching? Or was it a combo of poor transfer recruiting & injuries that submarined this season? Could Baker have done a better job with this season's LSU defensive roster?

And I don't think it is as simple as, "MUH speed rush Perkins every play!"
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
31888 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:50 am to
House failed to work out the talent equation to at least a nominal level. The defense crashing like it did was directly attributed to that failure.

House needed to go.
Posted by TexasTigerBH
Texas
Member since Jun 2018
222 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:54 am to
All you have to look at is the lack of effort and fundamentals. The video of Wingo said it all.
Posted by ATLTiger
#TreyBiletnikoffs
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:56 am to
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The Defense won the Bama game by holding Bama to FGs and forcing a turnover in the endzone.


Is this the narrative you’re going with as to how the ‘22 Bama game was won?
Posted by That LSU Guy
The beach
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:56 am to
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House failed to work out the talent equation to at least a nominal level. The defense crashing like it did was directly attributed to that failure. House needed to go.
Not to mention some players seem to hate him, which caused a toxic environment.
Posted by Willietd
Member since Apr 2017
1761 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 10:59 am to
Did you notice at any point this season where the defense looked improved, took proper angles, played the ball, made adjustments, wrapped up consistently when tackling, kept opposing defenses off balance in any way, etc?
Posted by TigersJump
In a land far far away
Member since Feb 2018
2175 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:02 am to
Missouri’s defense was 125th two years ago before Baker got there. Knocked that down by 2/3 in one year and by nearly that much in his 2nd year. He’s good and did that with low rated athletes.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 1:45 pm
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
16400 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:04 am to
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House failed to work out the talent equation to at least a nominal level. The defense crashing like it did was directly attributed to that failure.


What do you mean by this?

I have no explanation for what happened on D. It was a train wreck. There were bad fundamentals. I think talent especially in the secondary was substandard. Schemes seemed too complex. I saw lack of effort vs OM.
Posted by Shaun176
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
2465 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:04 am to
The defensive captain and line coach got cancer. DB coach that BK brought in was not good at coach proper technique on the college level so much that BK had to step in to work technique.

Mingo and D line didn't like House because he ran Cain off over disagreement in how to use HP4. Which in hindsight was bad for the defense and culture and probably cost House his Job and LSU 5 million $.

House was going to get another chance, but Woody decided to overpay on another coach plus buyouts to satisfy players who threatened to enter portal including HP4.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 11:08 am
Posted by SanJoseTigerFan
San Jose, CA
Member since Feb 2013
1992 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:05 am to
Well you see I believe you just need to blitz Perkins or let Perkins play off tackle an rush the QB
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
20860 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:09 am to
My theory is that House was the one deciding not to play the best players. A culture problem is the only thing that makes sense and it's not like House is known as a toxic personality, as far as I know.

Players like Swinson and Weeks are obviously better than players like Speights.

They only played Toviano because they ran out of bodies. No other reason to toss in a true freshman in the Bama game in Tuscaloosa. But he was actually good.

Womack generated sacks in games and then disappeared.

I believe that the players knew House was playing "his" guys and not the best guys. When the players don't care the fundamentals disappear and they look soft. That's what happened.

I do not blame House entirely for Perkins. Perkins asked to be moved and it did not turn out well. Apparently that was agreed during his recruitment.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 11:14 am
Posted by saturncube21
Member since Nov 2015
7279 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:12 am to
3rd and House was a real thing
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
19807 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:20 am to
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All you have to look at is the lack of effort and fundamentals. The video of Wingo said it all.



I saw that. What happened b/w last season and this season? Did the players give up on House despite good results last season? Or was it a snowball effect of injuries and talent keeping the defense from being competitive and then moral nose-diving b/c of the results?
Posted by OJsLifeCoach
NYC
Member since Aug 2023
1072 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:25 am to
Numbers don't even matter at this point.

It's becoming more evident that House was a cancer in the locker room and players really didn't like playing for him. Things were only gonna get worse so he truly had to go.

It's also what excites me most about Baker.

The one thing I know we're getting for sure is a coach that players seem to really, really enjoy playing for. Constant praise of being a great coach and an even better person.

That alone will make Baker a beast in recruiting, and it's never bad to have a coach kids will run through a brick wall for.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 11:27 am
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
19807 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:26 am to
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Missouri’s defense was 125th two years ago before Baker got there. Knocked cut that down by 2/3 in one year and by nearly that much in his 2nd year. He’s good and did that with low rated athletes.



House was on a similar trajectory before this season. LSU went from 70 to 34 in his first season.

Also, I'm not trying to argue that House is better than Baker. I was just surprised when I started looking at defensive stuff from last season. The drop in defensive performance raises all kinds of red flags, but I guess the question is, was that all House? Would Baker have done a better job with this season's LSU defense?
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
31888 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:34 am to
Without getting too long-winded (I’m lazy), it has to do with a few key points.

One being his secondary material was obviously less than desired esp after Greg’s battle. That said, he failed to simplify things (which includes reassigning talent) and let them confused much of the time.

Second, there was a blatant disregard for drilling in fundamentals and that was something he should’ve managed BEFORE the season. Single biggest one being tackling. It was an abomination.
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23327 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:35 am to
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We all know the story of this season. Did House just turn retarded on Defensive coaching? Or was it a combo of poor transfer recruiting & injuries that submarined this season? Could Baker have done a better job with this season's LSU defensive roster?


House had enough key vets and experienced players to run his most of system last year. It’s overly-complicated for college football, where you have younger players and mandated limits on practice and meeting time. The read and react style is also tougher for younger players who are used to attacking offenses. If it isn’t taught the right way, you end up with guys playing on their heels and looking passive.

This year he had little continuity and less experience. And a lot of experience he did have was limited in different ways. Brooks was lost early. Wingo was injured. Smith was coming back from injury. Speights wasn’t up to playing in the SEC. Burns has always been marginal. Perkins was one of the few who played the well, but it still was below what most expected. Add in all of the young guys and it was a recipe for disaster.

But the biggest problem was House’s inability to adjust. He was incapable of doing anything outside of his scheme, his way. Once he ended up with a roster that couldn’t handle it, we saw that his floor was literally the bottom of college football.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 11:40 am
Posted by Vanilla Thunder
Member since Apr 2022
424 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:35 am to
There is a “chicken bs egg” element, but extra practices and throwing that shitshow on the field against WISCONSIN was all you needed to see. House had to go.
Posted by OKBoomerSooner
Member since Dec 2019
3126 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:36 am to
He clearly lost the locker room somehow. Nobody here knows how or why, but it's pretty clear from the players' reactions to House's departure and the lack of effort all season that they quit on him.
Posted by wryder1
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2008
4159 posts
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:40 am to
Look at House’s recruiting on his side of the ball vs Denbrocks on offense. If is night and day and both had the LSU brand, playing time, NIL and etc to sell recruits. Even if we gave House another year, the recruiting just wasn’t going to cut it and get us back to elite levels. We only got McKinnley bc he knew House wasn’t going to be there.
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