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re: Baker vs. House Battle - This seasons LSU Defensive Talent
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:41 am to Shaun176
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:41 am to Shaun176
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The defensive captain and line coach got cancer. DB coach that BK brought in
Kelly waited four months to bring in a D-line coach and the whole defense suffered because of lack of technique coaching.
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Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:44 am to rds dc
House
Worst LSU defense I have ever watched.
Baker
A LSU DC I have never watched.
Worst LSU defense I have ever watched.
Baker
A LSU DC I have never watched.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:45 am to OKBoomerSooner
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He clearly lost the locker room somehow. Nobody here knows how or why, but it's pretty clear from the players' reactions to House's departure and the lack of effort all season that they quit on him.
Does some of this fall on Kelly? Was he unable to get House to make corrections to keep from losing the locker room?
Posted on 1/6/24 at 11:57 am to ATLTiger
The defense played very well against Bama. Made many critical stops.
House must have lost the players. The talent level in defensive backfield went way down.. injuries? Recruiting?
No credible pass rush. Olijari never replaced. Perkins moved to linebacker
Defensive line coach missing… defensive line starting one full yard off the line
Linebackers constantly in wrong gap
Defensive backfield forgot how to tackle
Many reasons. House had to go.
House must have lost the players. The talent level in defensive backfield went way down.. injuries? Recruiting?
No credible pass rush. Olijari never replaced. Perkins moved to linebacker
Defensive line coach missing… defensive line starting one full yard off the line
Linebackers constantly in wrong gap
Defensive backfield forgot how to tackle
Many reasons. House had to go.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:06 pm to rds dc
I think there were multiple problems. Players in a scheme that did not work for them and they lost faith in the coaches. Injuries at key spots. Transfer gambles that did not work out. Playing part year with no d-line coach. I could see reaction time was slow which leads to missed tackles because you are a half step slow to the spot. Poor fundamentals. But all that lands on House like it or not. They should be better next year. Good? Don’t know
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:08 pm to mhc4tigers
If we had shown any effort all season on that side of the ball, we probably would only be focusing on the recruiting side of things and the plan this offseason would probably be to surround him with better recruiters on that side of the ball after two seasons of getting good results with lesser talent
Instead we looked completely apathetic and checked out on defense every single week no matter the opponent or situation outside of maybe 2-3 parts of a few games. That’s a sign of a rotten core. Players clearly didn’t trust him to put them in the best position to succeed and his more NFL style approach is probably pretty abrasive, so when you have no faith in the guy leading you, on top of being not talented enough on that side of the ball, it leads to a historically bad defense. It probably added salt in the wound watching that same dude sit in the booth every week and emote into the camera like “See?! It’s the players not me!” After every bad play
The talent on the roster is certainly a big part of our issues last year after we completely whiffed in the portal in comparison to crushing the portal in his first year. Think the staff is being a lot more cautious in the guys they take in to avoid that kind of scenario happening again, because I’m sure these outside transfers all being trash, making cash, and not giving a shite just expedited the collapse of the Matt house era
Most exciting thing about Baker is he gets buy in from his guys, very vocal kind of guy and he will get guys playing hard for him. That alone would bring even out defense last year to the top 70
Instead we looked completely apathetic and checked out on defense every single week no matter the opponent or situation outside of maybe 2-3 parts of a few games. That’s a sign of a rotten core. Players clearly didn’t trust him to put them in the best position to succeed and his more NFL style approach is probably pretty abrasive, so when you have no faith in the guy leading you, on top of being not talented enough on that side of the ball, it leads to a historically bad defense. It probably added salt in the wound watching that same dude sit in the booth every week and emote into the camera like “See?! It’s the players not me!” After every bad play
The talent on the roster is certainly a big part of our issues last year after we completely whiffed in the portal in comparison to crushing the portal in his first year. Think the staff is being a lot more cautious in the guys they take in to avoid that kind of scenario happening again, because I’m sure these outside transfers all being trash, making cash, and not giving a shite just expedited the collapse of the Matt house era
Most exciting thing about Baker is he gets buy in from his guys, very vocal kind of guy and he will get guys playing hard for him. That alone would bring even out defense last year to the top 70
Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:19 pm to rds dc
Yeah let’s just focus on the Bama game last year but ignore the Bama game this year, Arky putting up 31; Ole Miss 55; the first 20 minutes against Grambling etc. and ignore how those same teams did offensively against every other defense they faced. Yeah our talent level is down but coaching up players, scheme, game planning, mid game adjustments are all critical components of the job and House failed miserably at all of them.
And yes, I do think Baker does better at all of the above with our talent.
And yes, I do think Baker does better at all of the above with our talent.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 12:32 pm to Willietd
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Did you notice at any point this season where the defense looked improved, took proper angles, played the ball, made adjustments, wrapped up consistently when tackling, kept opposing defenses off balance in any way, etc?
Actually, I did see some of our defensive backs, turning and locating the ball better later in the season, but that should NOT have been an issue from day one. They should’ve already been doing that right when they stepped on the field!
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 1/6/24 at 1:54 pm to rds dc
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House was on a similar trajectory before this season. LSU went from 70 to 34 in his first season.
House was saved by a senior laden and extremely experienced defensive backfield and edge rushers. Ojulari and Gaye were missed more than most would admit. The edge was never set and that was a huge issue all year. Baskerville was missed sorely. The experience in the DB room absolutely saved House. He had zero clue on what to do with this defense.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 1/6/24 at 2:21 pm to rds dc
House sucked last year, too. He got cooked at home by TennerC and then embarrassed by Texas A&M & Georgia. He couldn’t get off the field on 3rd down against FSU either.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 2:55 pm to VeryReauxna_ish
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House sucked last year, too. He got cooked at home by TennerC and then embarrassed by Texas A&M & Georgia. He couldn’t get off the field on 3rd down against FSU either.
So you are saying that House was a complete whiff and fail of a hire by Kelly?
Posted on 1/6/24 at 3:15 pm to rds dc
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Does some of this fall on Kelly?
It all falls on CBK. He gets all the credit for the successes. All the blame for failures. He's the HC and paid the big bucks for a reason.
This post was edited on 1/6/24 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 1/6/24 at 3:23 pm to misey94
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But the biggest problem was House’s inability to adjust. He was incapable of doing anything outside of his scheme
This wasn't the case at all in '22. Just the opposite.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 4:50 pm to AlwysATgr
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This wasn't the case at all in '22. Just the opposite.
Let me be more specific, because I wasn’t referring to in-game adjustments. He couldn’t adjust his overall scheme to a younger, less experienced defensive roster with little continuity from last season. He couldn’t teach it to them effectively and his only response to their struggles was to water everything down to the point that there was absolutely no chance for them to be successful against any functional passing attack.
I do agree House was able to adjust in-game several times last year. However, like I said before, he had enough experience to run most of his scheme then. That roster could handle it.
The problem with a guy like House is that you’re going to have years when the roster isn’t perfectly set up to run his scheme. This year proved that he can’t function outside of a tight set of parameters.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 5:08 pm to rds dc
When you are as bad on defense as LSU was this year, everyone is at fault. Clearly the players we had were not good, but you have to do more with them as a coach.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 5:29 pm to rds dc
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you are saying that House was a complete whiff and fail of a hire by Kelly?
Of course it was. He tried to get Brad white from Kentucky. When he turned him down, he pivoted to house
This dude was a linebacker coach in the NFL. Why did they have to immediately give him 2 mil?
I wasn't a fan if house's scheme during his first yr here.
I wonder if there is truth to Cain and house fighting over where to play perkins and that's why he left.
I'm sure there was much more to it than just that.
Posted on 1/6/24 at 5:31 pm to rds dc
How never adjusted to the roster changes. We lost some very legit talent, but instead of scheming around the players we had he continued to try to force players into a scheme that was not natural to them.
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