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re: Automated Ball Strike Challenges for SEC Tourney

Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:30 pm to
Posted by CubsFanBudMan
Member since Jul 2008
6127 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:30 pm to
Will they be remeasuring player height when they get to Hoover? There are many MLB players that "shrunk" 3 inches since last year.
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
20163 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:44 pm to
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NCAA umps are inconsistent with balls and strikes, that's my biggest gripe. It does not always hurt LSU, either. I don't mind a narrow or a wide strike zone; I just want consistency across innings and across teams.


Agreed
Posted by MrCEO
Bora Bora
Member since Jun 2017
409 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 8:50 pm to
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What’s hilarious about this is the technology exists to have an instant call made by the system that would be 100% correct, yet no one is willing to use it, even though we all know it will eventually be implemented


Mlb wants the entertainment value it brings. The calls can be instant now, yet everyone must pause and look at the jumbo tron for 15 seconds to see the result. It creates drama (even if it’s just a little bit)
Posted by Honkus
Member since Aug 2005
57925 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 9:00 pm to
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Mlb wants the entertainment value it brings.


Think it's more about the umpires union. One of the strongest unions out there
Posted by LCLa
Member since Apr 2017
4591 posts
Posted on 5/4/26 at 10:45 pm to
Good lord Jay is gonna challenge every other pitch until he runs out
Posted by LSUJML
Central
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 5/4/26 at 10:50 pm to

ONLY a pitcher, catcher, hitter can request ABS challenge (within 2-3 seconds)

He can’t challenge & even if he wanted to signal the player to challenge there’s not enough time
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20965 posts
Posted on 5/5/26 at 12:06 am to
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ONLY a pitcher, catcher, hitter can request ABS challenge (within 2-3 seconds)


Who's keeping the 3s challenge clock? Is it just at the ump's discretion if a challenge is requested 'in time?'
Posted by ChiefCornerstone
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2022
700 posts
Posted on 5/5/26 at 12:20 am to
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He can’t challenge & even if he wanted to signal the player to challenge there’s not enough time

He's gonna lose his mind...
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20965 posts
Posted on 5/5/26 at 12:28 am to
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Even the MLB review system is flawed because it judges pitches at the midpoint of homeplate so a pitch that touches the strike zone at the front of the plate can be wrongly overturned on review if it moved out of the zone by the midpoint


Yep.

I'm having to get up to speed on the whole process, technology, and ground rules, The MLB strike zone (SZ) is different than what was posted earlier in this thread. And as you've noted, it's no longer 3D (which IMO is pretty significant).

Here's a helpful article on the MLB version.
MLB ABS
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20965 posts
Posted on 5/5/26 at 12:31 am to
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this is the part most fans can't comprehend when watching a gam on TV


Part of the 'problem' is that we watch pitches on TV in 2-D when in fact the strike zone is 3-D (unless college is going the way of MLB),
Posted by CubsFanBudMan
Member since Jul 2008
6127 posts
Posted on 5/5/26 at 12:32 am to
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Mlb wants the entertainment value it brings. The calls can be instant now, yet everyone must pause and look at the jumbo tron for 15 seconds to see the result. It creates drama (even if it’s just a little bit)


I'm sure they don't mind the T-Mobile sponsorship money for the challenges
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
24846 posts
Posted on 5/5/26 at 1:04 am to
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to the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants, is a strike.


Seems like using an arbitrary location like the top of the pants is odd.

And by "normal position" do they mean while in their normal hitting stance or standing ?
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
47257 posts
Posted on 5/5/26 at 6:38 am to
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And by "normal position" do they mean while in their normal hitting stance or standing ?


Normal batting stance. That's been the case since I was a wee lad, and I'm 64 now.

Posted by baytiger11
Member since Jul 2020
2487 posts
Posted on 5/5/26 at 7:05 am to
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Even the MLB review system is flawed because it judges pitches at the midpoint of homeplate so a pitch that touches the strike zone at the front of the plate can be wrongly overturned on review if it moved out of the zone by the midpoint
Isn’t the midpoint where you would want to call it though? I don’t see an issue with that. It’s the average point between front and back of the plate.
Majority of the time when a batter is in their stance in the batter’s box, and sticks their bat out, they’re aligned with the midpoint of the plate. Not way up at the front or back of the box.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
18669 posts
Posted on 5/5/26 at 7:29 am to
I wonder what the strategy will be by Johnson on this, should be interesting.

What you see happening in MLB is some batters should not be allowed to challenge, as some think every close pitch is a ball - batters are below 50% on challenges in MLB right now. Cathers have had a much more successful rate at near 60%, pitchers are worst and some teams have told their pitchers they cannot challenge.

Also, situation matters. 2 out nobody on and first pitch probably not a good time to challenge obviously but ingraining in the kids right time and place could be crucial.
Posted by LSUJML
Central
Member since May 2008
56225 posts
Posted on 5/5/26 at 7:38 am to
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Who's keeping the 3s challenge clock? Is it just at the ump's discretion if a challenge is requested 'in time?'


I don’t know but my guess is no clock, umps discretion
Sounds like it has to be really quick, which is easier for catcher / pitcher.
Batter probably won’t have time to look at dugout for coaches ok, it’s going to be interesting seeing how this plays out.


Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
10914 posts
Posted on 5/5/26 at 7:45 am to
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Isn’t the midpoint where you would want to call it though?


the rule states "any part of the plate"

meaning even if you barely clip just the very front corner (at the correct height), it's a strike.


this is a strike by the rule book ... but a ball if you use only the midpoint of the plate





or using only the front edge .... this would be called a ball, even though it is a strike.





I don't know if the technology is available, but the system needs to cover the entirety of the white of the plate somehow.


Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
78231 posts
Posted on 5/5/26 at 7:48 am to
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this is a strike by the rule book ... but a ball if you use only the midpoint of the plate


This is why MLB uses the challenge system rather than a 100% ABS system. Everywhere the 100% system has been tried, no one has liked it. The hybrid model is preferred because guys aren't going to challenge those kinds of calls.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111302 posts
Posted on 5/5/26 at 7:54 am to
Poor Milam This is going to be put to the test




Lot of our 6’0” boys going to turn into 5’10” players too
This post was edited on 5/5/26 at 7:55 am
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
47257 posts
Posted on 5/5/26 at 7:58 am to
Remember the old Pete Rose crouch?

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