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re: Automated Ball Strike Challenges for SEC Tourney
Posted on 5/6/26 at 8:05 am to CatfishJohn
Posted on 5/6/26 at 8:05 am to CatfishJohn
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There are going to be a lot of successful challenges College umpires largely suck
Maybe but I wouldn’t put money on it. No telling what kind of shenanigans Birmingham will pull.
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Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:43 am to LSUJML
If I was coach there are very few batters I’d allow to challenge. They just don’t have the experience with the system and when it’s the right time to challenge. In MLB the Brewers tried a system where they hung a green card in the dugout and it got shutdown quickly.
For now I’d tell my catcher in the earpiece when the time is right and then let him decide.
Brewer banned ABS strateg
For now I’d tell my catcher in the earpiece when the time is right and then let him decide.
Brewer banned ABS strateg
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:54 am to LSUJML
I have a feeling ABS is going to be disastrous and you're going to see walks go up a lot for everyone. And for a team like us that loves giving out free passes like we do, I don't see this being a great thing for college pitchers
Posted on 5/6/26 at 12:39 pm to saint tiger225
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Kind of surprised. I didn't expect them to implement something like this because it has the potential to make the umpires look really bad. I guess it has the potential to make us fans look dumb too with all the complaining we like to do about college umpires.
It already exposes plenty in the MLB. This is the obvious move going forward in college. Glad we will get this in the tourney.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 12:54 pm to LSBoosie
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There’s going to be a lot of fans in the game thread that realize they actually don’t know what’s a ball and strike on TV.
There's a lot of balls called strikes in college baseball. It's just the nature of the game.
If this tightens up the balls and strikes calls, it's going to be a totally different game.
I really don't like doing this without a clear understanding of what the collegiate strike zone is.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 12:58 pm to moneyg
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I really don't like doing this without a clear understanding of what the collegiate strike zone is.
If the criteria for doing it is a clear understanding of the collegiate strike zone, based on SEC umpires it will never happen.
ETA: The biggest issue is still the inconsistency within the game, from inning to inning or half inning to half inning. I hope this helps improve that.
This post was edited on 5/6/26 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 5/6/26 at 1:02 pm to ProjectP2294
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If the criteria for doing it is a clear understanding of the collegiate strike zone,
It should be
quote:
based on SEC umpires it will never happen.
You added this part in and it just doesn't make sense as to the point I was making.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 1:07 pm to moneyg
It was nothing more than a joke about the SEC umpires not even having a clear understanding of the strike zone.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 1:30 pm to moneyg
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I really don't like doing this without a clear understanding of what the collegiate strike zone is.
here is the rule cut and pasted directly from the NCAA rulebook for 2026
any part of the ball passing over any part of the plate from the kneecap to the midpoint between top of pants and top of shoulders
Posted on 5/6/26 at 1:36 pm to Nutriaitch
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any part of the ball passing over any part of the plate from the kneecap to the midpoint between top of pants and top of shoulders
You missed the point.
In reality, in the college game, balls and strikes are called more liberally than the rulebook.
If you base challenges on the letter of the law, there will be good pitches that are called strikes that actually become balls.
And, if that makes the umpires shrink the zone in practice, you will have a different game than the one we've been watching.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 2:47 pm to LSUJML
The challenge system is so stupid. Just automate every single pitch and buzz the umpire in real time to alert whether it’s a strike or ball.
Tennis used to have a challenge system. Then they figured out “why not just get every call right and not waste time on challenges”. Boom electronic line calls
Tennis used to have a challenge system. Then they figured out “why not just get every call right and not waste time on challenges”. Boom electronic line calls
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:05 pm to JoeyP239
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The challenge system is so stupid. Just automate every single pitch and buzz the umpire in real time to alert whether it’s a strike or ball.
because theres's major flaws with the ABS system too.
using a hybrid model between the two is better than using strictly one or the other.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:41 pm to Nutriaitch
What are the flaws of a 100% electronic system?
Posted on 5/6/26 at 6:50 pm to JoeyP239
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What are the flaws of a 100% electronic system?
It reduces the strike zone from a volume to a plane and it too has a margin of error. IOW, it's gonna make some mistakes.
MLB uses Sony Hawkeye technology. I'm not familiar with it but I would think vibration at their mounts would affect their accuracy. Likewise, thermal gradients. If one unit is subject to solar gain while another is in shade, and that changes across the course of a game, does that affect its accuracy?
Posted on 5/6/26 at 8:33 pm to JoeyP239
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What are the flaws of a 100% electronic system?
it uses the black of the plate, which according to the rules is not part of the trike zone.
it only reads ball at the midpoint of the plate leaving the front 8-1/2” uncovered despite being a part of the strike zone.
as the guy before me pointed out, there are external factors that can affect the equipment’s accuracy readings.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 9:38 pm to LSUJML
An umpire that has numerous calls challenged successfully should be expelled from home plate duties.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:11 pm to paulb52
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An umpire that has numerous calls challenged successfully should be expelled from home plate duties.
This needs nuance. If the umps are working with the traditional strike zone volume while the ABS is working with a plane, then an ump could rightly call strike while the ABS showed ball and the converse.
Also, if the "missed" calls are only by some small distance, then that would be preferable to large misses. So maybe instead of the # of miss calls, use a cumulative allowance over every 500 pitches.
Posted on 5/6/26 at 10:34 pm to paulb52
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An umpire that has numerous calls challenged successfully should be expelled from home plate duties.
except we’ve already pointed out the flaws in the ABS system
this is a strike according to the rule book.
ABS would call it a ball.
this is also a strike according to the rule book.
but ABS would call it a ball.
this call was wrong by less than a milimeter. and actually if the ABS plane was 8-1/2” closer to the mound (at front edge of plate) it wouldn’t have been overturned at all.
this one was off by 0.1” and got overturned.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 6:38 am to LSUGrrrl
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t already exposes plenty in the MLB. This is the obvious move going forward in college.
It does - it embarrasses some players too. the umps get their moments.
Posted on 5/7/26 at 6:44 am to ProjectP2294
quote:Yup
The biggest issue is still the inconsistency within the game, from inning to inning or half inning to half inning. I hope this helps improve that.
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