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re: Are radar guns hot?

Posted on 3/8/23 at 8:05 am to
Posted by KC Tiger
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 8:05 am to
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Because back when we were playing it was thought that you either thru hard or you didn’t.


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Posted by thunderbird1100
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 8:11 am to
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Everyone is throwing harder these days. Idk if it’s mechanics or what, but it’s real.



This, pitchers across the board are throwing harder than they were a decade or two ago.

Kids are starting younger and younger and advances in technology have helped them increase velo more and more.

Getting a kid throwing mid-high 90s in high school to college was a complete pipe dream in the past typically, now it's becoming more common. USed to get guys low-mid 90s to college and hope to increase velo over time there.

Now we have freshmen coming into college hitting triple digits or very near it their freshman year, it's pretty insane.
This post was edited on 3/8/23 at 8:12 am
Posted by Not Cooper
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 8:24 am to
The increase in velo is mostly due to better understanding of the bio mechanical mechanisms at play in throwing a baseball harder. When I was playing it was all about arm strength, flexibility, mobility and stability. Pitchers lifted weight, but it wasn’t a huge focus nor was there an emphasis on lifting heavy. It was all balance and flexibility.

Now the emphasis is all on generating momentum and force transfer. Heavy weightlifting, particularly heavy deadlifts. The old principles of arm strength and flexibility haven’t been thrown away, but if you can’t generate the necessary momentum with your lower half and posterior chain, then trying to throw 90+ would only lead to injuries.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 8:31 am to
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I've heard that they are picking the ball up right out of the pitcher's hands these days, where as the old school guns didn't. That's what I've heard anyway.

I’m more interested in the speed of the pitch as it crosses the plate. Big numbers are cool but batters hit the ball when it crosses the plate. Not when it’s at the mound. Speed at the plate is more meaningful than speed at the mound. It’s a split second difference but it’s dumb to use the speed from the mound and not the speed from the potential point of contact with the bat.
This post was edited on 3/8/23 at 8:33 am
Posted by sonicbaw350
Member since May 2021
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 11:32 am to


High school is the most recent info I could find on tonight's probable starter. Looks like a soft throwing lefty. Probably gonna sit 91 tonight.
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
13735 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 11:39 am to
Back in the day they used to radar pitches closer to the plate. In the 2010’s they radar pitches 50 feet from the plate. Now they radar them the moment it leaves the pitchers hand.

Technology and the ability to capture pitch speeds further away from the plate has caused the rise in the speeds.

Players in general are also throwing harder.
This post was edited on 3/8/23 at 11:41 am
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
66685 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 12:30 pm to
Guns used to measure velocity when the ball crossed home plate. Now they measure top velocity from the time it leaves the pitchers hand until it crosses. It adds about 2mph normally.
Posted by SoloTiger
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 12:59 pm to
I agree it seems to be a combination of both the athletes and the gun.
Posted by Ltown_tiger
Livonia
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 1:12 pm to
Barbe

Mandeville

Archbishop Hannan

Ed White

Should I keep going or is that enough?
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
19285 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 4:38 pm to
I can name high schools all day, hoss. Do the claim some justice and name the four or more players on those teams that throw 92+.

Hint… you can’t…
This post was edited on 3/8/23 at 4:47 pm
Posted by BatonrougeCajun
Somewhere in Texas
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 7:44 pm to
Botched that one, didn’t I
Posted by Tigers0891
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 3/8/23 at 8:04 pm to
Modern gun timing (out the hand) and modern training and nutrition and medicine
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
29661 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 9:45 pm to
I saw that bullshite pitching ninja. Just wants to deny bull shite and he NEVER met Ryan or saw the size of his legs. Velocity is the lower half and in Fastball they analyzed the biomechanics.
All he does it says “the machine isn’t accurate”. It can’t possible be and I don’t give 2 shits about how big “Chapmans arms were”. IT DOESNT MATTER. How much power they are in the lower half to generates the drive.

Nolan threw 235 pitches in a game and pitched 9 innings four days later. fricking ask these pussies to do that today. THERE ARE NONE THAT COUKD REMOTELY COME CLOSE.


I can tell you that JV didn’t come close to Ryan. Verlander was popping 100. frick man Ryan threw 98 on his last freaking pitch at 46 years old AFTER 27 years freaking pitching in the Majors.
How stupid are some of y’all?
This post was edited on 3/8/23 at 9:49 pm
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
82008 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 9:57 pm to
You melting in this thread repeating the same shite over and over is pretty hilarious

Nolan isnt gonna frick you
This post was edited on 3/8/23 at 9:57 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288557 posts
Posted on 3/8/23 at 10:01 pm to
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How much power they are in the lower half to generates the drive.


The legs are stabilizers, and while they correlate to velocity, they are just that; stabilizers

A lot has changed in the study of pitching mechanics, Sonny boy. The front leg is actually more important to velocity than the back leg drive that you are trying to push. But hey who actually cares about the science of it
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
29661 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 4:42 pm to
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A lot has changed in the study of pitching mechanics, Sonny boy. The front leg is actually more important to velocity than the back leg drive that you are trying to push. But hey who actually cares about the science of it

Not really. Watch Vida Blue and his front half or Ryan. I said LOWER half not just the push leg. Oh sure, some have a whip motion and that adds speed, but look at the build of your true power pitchers - Clemens, Beckett, Ryan, etc. hell, Steve Dalkowski by all accounts threw it harder than Ryan, Feller and everyone else. He just never had any command.

98 on a modern radar gun for his last pitch in an average game. 98.

At age 46 after 616 MLB games over a 27 year span, nearly 5400 innings, 4700 Ks.

98.

And yes, Ryan trained HARD and lifted.

He all threw harder than anyone I’ve ever seen including this kid at LSU today.
This post was edited on 3/9/23 at 4:55 pm
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
13735 posts
Posted on 3/9/23 at 4:48 pm to
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I've heard that they are picking the ball up right out of the pitcher's hands these days, where as the old school guns didn't. That's what I've heard anyway.

Not exactly sure when that transition took place.


This is exactly what has happened. It’s slowly moved closer and closer to the pitcher to where now it is right out of the pitcher’s hands. A lot of it has to do with technology. Original radar detectors couldn’t pick up the speed until almost the plate.

The thing isn’t that players throw harder. There have always been fireballers. The thing now is the abundance of them and the control they throw with that power.
This post was edited on 3/9/23 at 4:49 pm
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