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re: Are radar guns hot?
Posted on 3/6/23 at 9:47 pm to Honest Tune
Posted on 3/6/23 at 9:47 pm to Honest Tune
Pitchers are built differently now. They throw much harder but also have way injuries
Same thing in football when you have DL/LBs running 4.5s at 260lbs. Body just isn’t use to that
Same thing in football when you have DL/LBs running 4.5s at 260lbs. Body just isn’t use to that
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Posted on 3/6/23 at 10:07 pm to SoloTiger
I get programs like Driveline, and Perfect Game being a billion dollar business make a huge difference. I may just be in denial about getting old, because 20 years ago mid majors, heck even most power 5 schools weren't running out 90+ all game.
This post was edited on 3/6/23 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 3/7/23 at 12:45 am to Coach C
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Nolan Ryan would have averaged 104 with the method used today
And he would have hit almost 109.
Nolan Ryan threw his last pitch 98 mph at 46 years old. He sat at 95 over 27 years, 300+ wins, 5000+ Ks later in the MLB. AND he never had a pitching coach for the first part with the Mets. Plus his arse wasn’t limited to a freaking pitch count or number of innings like these candy asses today.
Let that sink in.
There are 2 shows I recommend watching:
Fast Ball - Justin Verlander wanted to see where he stacked up. Not close to Ryan and Koufax.
Facing Nolan
This post was edited on 3/7/23 at 1:13 am
Posted on 3/7/23 at 3:18 am to reauxl tigers
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Just like every other sport, the game has advanced thanks to technology allowing for better understanding of mechanics, the human body, etc.
All of that is true, but aside from mechanics, guys are putting max effort into their pitches a lot more than they used to. There's a reason why major league teams used to have 4-man rotations. To the OP's point, however, you still don't see many guys throwing in the 90's at places like Butler. It's not necessarily common to see anyone on a low level college team throwing 90+, let alone 4 of them, and on the 4th day of a long weekend where you'd assume they've just about run out of arms.
I definitely noticed that, and was scratching my head over it.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 6:54 am to Safety Blitz
Forget 92
I’ve seen more upper 90s and close to 100 in sec more than I’ve seen last 20 years
I’ve seen more upper 90s and close to 100 in sec more than I’ve seen last 20 years
Posted on 3/7/23 at 7:01 am to sonicbaw350
They are picking the ball up about 6' from the release point. Back in the day of Nolan Ryan it was 10' in front of the catcher.
With that in mind, if they had picked up his pitch at 6', ol' Nolan was throwing 111.8 mph. Now you know why he has those kinds of numbers professionally.
With that in mind, if they had picked up his pitch at 6', ol' Nolan was throwing 111.8 mph. Now you know why he has those kinds of numbers professionally.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 7:14 am to sonicbaw350
Northwestern (not the Natchitoches one) played Tech this weekend and had a guy hit 100mph. Most of their guys were 92-94. I’m a little skeptical that that’s accurate.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 7:19 am to sonicbaw350
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I get programs like Driveline, and Perfect Game being a billion dollar business make a huge difference. I may just be in denial about getting old, because 20 years ago mid majors, heck even most power 5 schools weren't running out 90+ all game.
Because back when we were playing it was thought that you either thru hard or you didn’t. Now we know how to teach and train the force transfer needed to throw hard. Basically if you want to throw gas and are willing to work for it it’s a guarantee.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 7:45 am to BatonrougeCajun
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Basically if you want to throw gas and are willing to work for it it’s a guarantee.
Yes but you still must have some key ingredients to achieve this.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 7:18 pm to Timeoday
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They are picking the ball up about 6' from the release point. Back in the day of Nolan Ryan it was 10' in front of the catcher. With that in mind, if they had picked up his pitch at 6', ol' Nolan was throwing 111.8 mph. Now you know why he has those kinds of numbers professionally.
These dumbass kids will downvote you because they don’t believe he threw that hard.
When I posted his last pitch was 98 mph these dumbasses do not believe it. They measured that pitch like they do today. He was SITTING at 95 at age 46 FORTY SIX after 27 years in the MAJORS. 7 freaking No-Nos and 5000+ Ks AND 300+ wins later.
Interesting Ryan fact - He never won a cy young but should have for damn sure with the Angels. I’ve never seen a pitcher so dominant as that year. He was screwed by the writers.
I guarantee you Koufax threw harder than most of them today as well.
I posted this earlier go watch
1. Fastball - Verlander wanted to see where he stacked up. Not close to Ryan (or JR Richards for that matter)
2. Facing Ryan (Netflix)
This post was edited on 3/7/23 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 3/7/23 at 7:44 pm to Timeoday
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They are picking the ball up about 6' from the release point. Back in the day of Nolan Ryan it was 10' in front of the catcher. With that in mind, if they had picked up his pitch at 6', ol' Nolan was throwing 111.8 mph. Now you know why he has those kinds of numbers professionally.
Nolan Ryan threw 112mph but no one in the modern game can sniff without 8 mph of him?
Get fricking real.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 7:49 pm to sonicbaw350
The guns are juiced.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 7:54 pm to slackster
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Nolan Ryan threw 112mph but no one in the modern game can sniff without 8 mph of him? Get fricking real.
It was 109. No one in the modern era can come close. That is a fact. Chapman was the only one relatively close.
The beauty is that Ryan on his last pitch in a routine start threw it 98 as they measure it today.
He was 46 and had struck out 5000+ and won 300+ and had 7 freaking No-No’s and had the most walks in a span of a TWENTY SEVEN MLB CAREER. TWENTY SEVEN . You know how arms slow down?
WATCH FACING RYAN ON NETFLIX AND FASTBALL.
There is no denying those facts I listed NONE.
And nobody today will do what he did EVER. He threw that hard in late innings. Saw that with my own eyes.
It is like hitters are better today. People never saw Carew or Baker or Rose. Ask them about Ryan.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 7:56 pm to Tiger1988
Saw him pitch 3 times. He’s my favorite athlete of all time. Straight gas. Saw him and Clemens square off in old Arlington Stadium, before the BIA was even built. The mitt pop just sounded different.
Posted on 3/7/23 at 8:03 pm to Honest Tune
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Saw him pitch 3 times. He’s my favorite athlete of all time. Straight gas. Saw him and Clemens square off in old Arlington Stadium, before the BIA was even built. The mitt pop just sounded different.
I saw him a several times as well but i didn’t really like the Astros then. Grew up a Yankee and Cards fan believe that or not.
JR Richards threw about as hard as him. Too bad for his stroke.
The last hitter he retired for his record breaking 5th No-no - Dusty Baker…
Posted on 3/7/23 at 8:25 pm to reauxl tigers
Imagine a guy like Nolan Ryan today with better mechanics slinging the ball.
Just imagine Nolan's velocity. Jesus
Just imagine Nolan's velocity. Jesus
Posted on 3/7/23 at 8:49 pm to Morpheus
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Imagine a guy like Nolan Ryan today with better mechanics slinging the ball. Just imagine Nolan's velocity. Jesus
Funny thing is there was a study that no human could throw it harder based on a study of biomechanics.
Nolan threw 235 pitches in a game and pitched 9 innings four days later.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 12:41 am to Morpheus
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Imagine a guy like Nolan Ryan today with better mechanics slinging the ball.
He did have Tom House as his pitching coach with the Rangers late in his career. He is thought to be one of the first coaches to stress biomechanics. The famous shot of Ryan throwing a football to warm up was the brainchild of House.
House has a had a crazy interesting career. He was the personal throwing coach of another famous 40+ year old athlete late in his career. Tom Brady. He also caught Hank Aarons record breaking homerun ball as a reliever in the Braves bullpen.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 6:20 am to tigeralum06
To be fair, Jesuit had 3-4 back in the early 2000s that were sitting high 80s low 90s. Rummel had a handful too.
Posted on 3/8/23 at 7:30 am to Tiger1988
It was 108.5 adjusted based on the fastball documentary.
Pitching Ninja did his own analysis
And that number simply isn’t true. At least not based on the data which is highly inaccurate and unreliable.
Pitching Ninja did his own analysis
And that number simply isn’t true. At least not based on the data which is highly inaccurate and unreliable.
This post was edited on 3/8/23 at 7:41 am
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