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re: An attempted unbiased analysis of Kirby Smart & Ed Orgeron in their first 2 years
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:49 pm to TDcline
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:49 pm to TDcline
was loaded with elite talent. Had the nation’s 2 best QBs and 2 of the 6 best RBs in all of college football. A healthy and deep OL & DL. A team that was built to win now but didn’t have the mentality to win now. Didn’t need to be rebuilt, simply re-focused. Is in the eastern conference with an easier schedule and easier crossover games.
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In 2016, Kirby Smart stepped into a program that
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:52 pm to Robbytiger
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Lsu beat Auburn....the same Auburn team that Bama and Georgia in the regular season....
Did Auburn, Bama or Georgia lose to Troy?
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:00 pm to Tigerbait357
This is a great analysis. Os first full season last year doesn't seem worse than Smarts to me. O was 9-5 which was one dumb flukey mistake vs the Irish by an nfl CB away from being 10-4. Right? Couple of bad embarrassing losses for sure and yes I was cursing a blue streak.
Smarts first full season was 8-4 including a loss to Ga Tech a huge local rivalry going back to 1893 and who they had beaten 13 out of the last 16 meetings. Think Georgia fans were happy about that? No.
Interesting to note that Dogs beat Notre Dame by one but were trailing until 3 mins left when they kicked the go ahead Fg. And their QB a freshmen threw an interception, lost a fumble on a bobbled snap and didn't look like the kid who won the SECCG - my point being he grew up as the season progressed. Keep in mind your post pointed out that Dogs recruiting had been great and yet they had to start a freshmen who turned it over twice vs NDame.
Smart obviously a great hire working out beyond their wildest fantasy. He replaced Richt who seemed hapless and laughable at Ga but now has a credible program going at a resurgent U. Compared to Les (love the guy hate the coach) who no other team will hire. So it's possible and I think very likely that Richt is maybe not that bad a coach who left Smart with more than Les left us.
By no means an O booster but I do think it takes a little time to undo a mess
Smarts first full season was 8-4 including a loss to Ga Tech a huge local rivalry going back to 1893 and who they had beaten 13 out of the last 16 meetings. Think Georgia fans were happy about that? No.
Interesting to note that Dogs beat Notre Dame by one but were trailing until 3 mins left when they kicked the go ahead Fg. And their QB a freshmen threw an interception, lost a fumble on a bobbled snap and didn't look like the kid who won the SECCG - my point being he grew up as the season progressed. Keep in mind your post pointed out that Dogs recruiting had been great and yet they had to start a freshmen who turned it over twice vs NDame.
Smart obviously a great hire working out beyond their wildest fantasy. He replaced Richt who seemed hapless and laughable at Ga but now has a credible program going at a resurgent U. Compared to Les (love the guy hate the coach) who no other team will hire. So it's possible and I think very likely that Richt is maybe not that bad a coach who left Smart with more than Les left us.
By no means an O booster but I do think it takes a little time to undo a mess
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:17 pm to AlxTgr
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What is the purpose of your threads?
What is the purpose of any threads?
What is the purpose of college football?
What is the purpose of life?
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:49 pm to TDcline
You say you’re unbiased but make many biased comments. It’s obvious what you’re in favor of! All that crap about Kirby almost did this and almost did that well at the end of the day he hadn’t won a national championship yet
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:58 pm to LSUstephen17
Yeah Kirby is a total loser. Glad we have a proven winner in O.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 4:12 am to Jimmydatiger
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By no means an O booster but I do think it takes a little time to undo a mess
When Coach O has LSU in the CFP it stll won’t be enough for these rantards who cry WOLF! at every muscle fiber twitch O makes.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 4:26 am to Jimmydatiger
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By no means an O booster but I do think it takes a little time to undo a mess
How long will it take to fix the mess that O is making?
Posted on 5/3/18 at 4:26 am to SamuelClemens
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When Coach O has LSU in the CFP
O can’t spell “CFP”.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 7:25 am to TDcline
Orgeron hasn't had two seasons. His interim season was trying to right the ship after a 2-2 start with abysmal offensive production.
A more accurate comparison would be with Dabo Sweeney. In Dabo's first full season after his interim stint, he was 6-7. In Orgeron's first full season at LSU he went 9-4.
You're just pulling shite out of the air.
I think everyone understands. Orgeron was not a popular choice. He may have been a piss poor choice. Miles was not a popular choice either. You're just going to have to let it play out.
A more accurate comparison would be with Dabo Sweeney. In Dabo's first full season after his interim stint, he was 6-7. In Orgeron's first full season at LSU he went 9-4.
You're just pulling shite out of the air.
I think everyone understands. Orgeron was not a popular choice. He may have been a piss poor choice. Miles was not a popular choice either. You're just going to have to let it play out.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 7:26 am to Freauxzen
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Freauxzen
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I'm getting tired of responding with "preach" and "amen" gifs to your posts, but whatever.. It deserves it.
This entire topic makes me feel insane. There's no good argument for his even being interviewed for this job without him having gone and ACTUALLY RUN his own program elsewhere and EARNED a second chance. It's not that his stint at Ole Miss was so bad he forever did not deserve the shot at redemption...it's that he had no real interest in taking the harder road in actually EARNING that redemption.
He simply weaseled his way into it, then had the fricking nerve to get pissy with people when they suggested he had not earned the job.
Like I said...I've never liked the man and I never will...but I'd have respected his effort had he gone and tried to earn the respect of the college football world after he tanked at Ole Miss. It would have never made him a good man in my eyes, but it might have made him appear to be at least a competent head coaching candidate.
Instead, he remains neither until he does something on the field that changes the coaching part...and so far, that looks unlikely.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:05 am to JohnnyU
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A more accurate comparison would be with Dabo Sweeney. In Dabo's first full season after his interim stint, he was 6-7. In Orgeron's first full season at LSU he went 9-4.
C'mon...this is why we can't have actual discussions about this topic.
Dabo Swinny took over a Clemson program that had gone 63-36 in the preceding 8 seasons before him. They had ONE Top 20 finish in that time...and it was a 16th ranked team in 2000. I'm not going to waste my time looking up recruiting rankings and guys put into the NFL during that time to show the quality of the program...unless you want to suggest they are on par with each other...?
Orgeron took over an LSU program that had gone 78-26 in the preceding 8 season prior to him taking full control. During those 8 seasons, LSU was ranked in the Top 20 7 out of 8 season, with a high of #2 in 2011. Go back to 9th season and I'll add the 2007 NC team...
Suggesting that Orgeron had a better first season than Dabo without acknowledging the different programs they took over is kind of silly.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:07 am to releauxded2469
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But I’ll bet you would count it as a season if he would have won the SEC or natty....but it only counts as interim because it doesnt fit the Ed O loving agenda.
LOL would love to see a school fire a coach for winning games and still win the NC.
Fact is Ed O was not in 100% charge until after the 2016 season.
That is different in every aspect.
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Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:10 am to timlan2057
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So what?
O-pumpers count it to pad his win record and soften his obscenely putrid SEC record as HC.
I am not an O pumper, but you cant compare a record from a guy that had 100% control to a guy acting as a place holder.
2017 was in fact Ed O's first season as LSU official head coach.
Carry on.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:22 am to Tigerbait357
I didn't say you were biased. I said it was obvious you have an agenda.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:31 am to JohnnyU
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His interim season was trying to right the ship after a 2-2 start with abysmal offensive production.
You mean 2 losses against two top 25 teams, one in the top 10 final rankings, both with excellent defenses while struggling against a 10-2 Jacksonville STate? I mean if we defend a loss to Troy with "They were 11-2!" why can we not defend a win against a "tough" JSU team with "They were 10-2!"
Again, Miles should have been gone the season before (or maybe even 2014), but the goalpost shifting is hilarious.
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A more accurate comparison would be with Dabo Sweeney. In Dabo's first full season after his interim stint, he was 6-7. In Orgeron's first full season at LSU he went 9-4.
Not really, Dabo didn't walk into as much talent as O.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:44 am to KingwoodLsuFan
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?? Tennessee had the most pathetic coach search ever.
I will say this, I think the fans revolt stopped a nightmare before it happened.. It was actually one time the mob got it right... Schiano would have been terrible for Tenn... They got rid of a crooked AD and got a Tenn guy in the with Fulmer and I think youll see Fulmer turn it around.. I think Pruitt was a great hire for them and I think they will really compete in year 3. Honestly, id hate to be Muschamp... Cause Florida is about to rise, Georgia is kicking arse, and Tenn is going to come knocking soon... kinda like us in the west... TAMU is about to get really good... and Ark in time will be like MSU with Mullen there... Chad Morris is that good of a coach... Once he gets a QB and some North & East Texas kids they will be tough to beat..
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:52 am to JayDeerTay84
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I am not an O pumper, but you cant compare a record from a guy that had 100% control to a guy acting as a place holder.
2017 was in fact Ed O's first season as LSU official head coach.
Please understand...most rational people agree with this. The only reason it is being stated now on the side from folks who dislike the Orgeron hire is precisely because his interim record has been used as some over reaching reason for why he was retained as the head coach...despite having not actually done what you said (been a coach that was 100% in control of his own program and not been just a place holder for the tail end of another coach's tenure.)
Point being, if you acknowledge THAT'S what an interim coach really is (and anyone with half a brain ought to) then those of us who have continually pointed to the fact that his last stint as a full time head coach WAS abysmal, are correct. Pointing to his two separate stints as a "place holder" (your words) as proof positive that he's now a good choice as a full time head coach makes no sense, because as you stated...it's not the same as being 100% in charge of your own program.
It's being stated as a retort to that assertion, not because anyone on this side of the argument actually think it. We don't...and in fact have been preaching the very opposite since his hire.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 8:55 am to TDcline
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LSU also suffered possibly the most embarrassing loss in the history of the program with a homecoming loss to Troy
It was horrible, but no worse than Arnsparger losing to Miami of Ohio, or Saban losing to UAB.
Posted on 5/3/18 at 9:02 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Dabo Swinny took over a Clemson program that had gone 63-36 in the preceding 8 seasons before him. They had ONE Top 20 finish in that time...and it was a 16th ranked team in 2000.
Clemson wasnt as bad as you are making them out to be. They finished 2007 ranked #22 and started 2008 ranked #9 although they had a lot of question marks like we did. That program was being turned around in the ACC. And they were doing pretty well at recruiting. The year Dabo took over as interim, they were ranked higher than LSU according to 247 sports.
They aren't exactly the same situations but it's pretty close. I could probably argue that Dabo had the easier path as far as playing in the ACC as a first year coach
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