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re: All we need is good QB play right?
Posted on 7/8/15 at 4:30 pm to Not Cooper
Posted on 7/8/15 at 4:30 pm to Not Cooper
gotcha, that god awful shovel pass for an int didn't lead to Alabama scoring or anything did it? And he definitely built on those two TD's and threw more on 1/9 right? The national championship couldn't have been any worse from a QB standpoint, Jefferson did every single stupid thing you can possibly do in a single football game. Lee was the better quarterback overall all season and aside from your retard logic where one bad game is an excuse to bench someone who has 14 TD's and 1 INT, he should've played. I guess you and Miles' logic worked out though right? We didn't get shut out or anything and we definitely made it past the 50 yard line. You're a fricking clown if, in hindsight, you can't figure out why sitting a serviceable QB on the bench was a bad idea
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 4:38 pm to Not Cooper
What do you mean by " good QB play"?
A. Game manager (does not turn the ball over, middle to lower passing in the SEC)
B. Playmaker (he picks teams apart, very accurate,top two in passing stats in the SEC)
huge difference between the two
No one knows how prepared or effective this defense will be under the new DC. Remember Lou Tepper.
A. Game manager (does not turn the ball over, middle to lower passing in the SEC)
B. Playmaker (he picks teams apart, very accurate,top two in passing stats in the SEC)
huge difference between the two
No one knows how prepared or effective this defense will be under the new DC. Remember Lou Tepper.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 4:59 pm to Powerman
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All we need is good QB play right?
Said every LSU fan, every preseason for as long as I can remember...
But yes.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 5:08 pm to Not Cooper
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I still think he should have been playing over Jefferson after the 9-6 game in TuskyLoser.
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It's laughable that people actually think this. No. He should not have played.
We're rolling along 8-0 like a efficient finely tuned machine with JL as QB, then the Grass Man inserts Ding Dong for no sensible reason and the Offensive Chemistry was destroyed for the remainder of the season. (Culminating in the still unexplained 21-0 abomination)
Grassy has never fully recovered from that, and the on-going "Declining Descent" into the Wonderful World of College Football also-ran mediocrity is well underway.
8-5 and unranked AINT Elite.
Not interested in "Pumper" and "Sand Header" defense of Miles and his "Historical Overall Record." That's ancient history of what was and what used to be.
What have you done for me lately?
2015 represents a huge "Fork in the Road" for the program. Take the wrong fork and you may wind up in a place that you can't escape from and the "Out of Patience" LSU adult fan base will not be there to offer any roadside assistance........
Amazing on here how so many LSU fans can look at the same things on the field and come to totally different conclusions.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 5:12 pm to EastTiger
I think Jennings could be 1 and BH could between both one and two which would be a huge improvement with either. The defense will be improved. I can't see is going backwards with Beckwith playing a whole season at full speed & the secondary a year older. The DL has no where to go but up, they were pretty average LY. I really see this team being very good this season. Certainly improving 9-3 worst case. This is the most veteran team we've had in a few years, besides the QB position. Even there we have a Jr and sophomore with talent. Coaches need to simply help them with the offensive play calling. I think Cam will do this much more this season. Go Tigers
Posted on 7/8/15 at 5:23 pm to Not Cooper
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s laughable that people actually think this. No. He should not have played.
youre a fking idiot.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 5:27 pm to BayouBengal99
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Even there we have a Jr and sophomore with talent. Coaches need to simply help them with the offensive play calling
you may be simplifying things a tad. They need a bit more than "help with the play calling." I like your optimism though.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 7:05 pm to Powerman
New DC, the jury will be out. Unlike some, I think we downgraded with Steele.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 7:10 pm to southeasttiger113
quote:There is only ONE reason why Lee had some better stats than Jefferson. Lee was QB for only 13 plays against Top Five defenses in 2011. Two of those plays were interceptions. Jefferson had almost three whole games against Top Five defenses. For the record, Jefferson had better stats at the end of the regular season. Jefferson had a higher Comp%, higher efficiency, higher YPA, and lower Interception %.quote:You're one dumb motherfricker bud. Lee had a higher completion percentage, better TD to INT ratio, more yards per attempt, and his QBR was 152 compared to Jefferson's 138.
It's laughable that people actually think this. No. He should not have played.
Jefferson was a better QB than Lee.
Jefferson's three regular season starts were LSU's three best offensive games of the season for 2011.
It wasn't that just one of Jefferson's games was better than just one of Lee's games. It wasn't that the average of Jefferson's three starts was better than the average of Lee's starts. EVERY regular season game that Jefferson started was better than EVERY regular season game that Lee started.
LSU's second best passing game happened when Jefferson started.
LSU's best rushing game happened when Jefferson started.
LSU's best total offense game happened when Jefferson started.
And Jefferson only started three games.
Jefferson had better regular season passing numbers than Lee.
Compare regular season numbers. Jefferson had better passing numbers than Lee: higher Completion %; higher QB Rating; higher YPA; lower Interception %. And that's not even mentioning how much Jefferson improved the team's rushing attack. LSU rushed for over 250 yards in every game of Jefferson’s three starts.
Post-season numbers cannot be compared. Jefferson played in the Championship games. Lee didn't
Jefferson was more efficient than Lee.
From the moment that Jefferson threw his first pass in the Florida game in 2011, he had a higher QB Rating than Lee. Jefferson had a better efficiency rating than Lee, and that better efficiency continued for the rest of the regular season. That's right, from his first pass until the end of the regular season, Jefferson was more efficient than Lee.
So when folks say that Lee was an efficient QB, the "most efficient" QB in the SEC or in the nation, at no point during the regular season, from the time Jefferson threw his first pass until the end of the regular season, was Lee more efficient than Jefferson.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 7:13 pm to semjase
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the Grass Man inserts Ding Dong for no sensible reason
No sensible reason...? You think there's any chance we beat Alabama in November if Lee stays on the field?
I'd say it's more likely he surpasses his 4 INT game from 2008.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 7:21 pm to southeasttiger113
Actually, Bama did not score off of his pick on 1/9. But i guess it was too much of me to think that you could read and comprehend actual statistics. It's pretty clear that Lee belonged nowhere near that field, and I'm not saying that JJ played well at all, he was just the lesser of two evils. Both of these QB's have played 4 games vs bama and Lee played 4 pitiful games. So, no, the 9-6 game wasn't just one bad game. Now if you can provide one single stat or grown up argument other than calling me a retard, maybe we could talk.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 7:37 pm to Powerman
we do need good QB play, but also a good offense scheme and play calling to go along with it to make the offense run on all cylinders. But along with a good offense we also need the defense to have a great year. With a good offense and a good defense combined with good offense coaching/modern offense/play calling and good defense coaching/strategy we have a good chance to be in the hunt for a succesfull season and a shot at the SEC title and possibly a NC.
As far as the Lee/Jefferson argument. Can't we all just put that behind us. Both Lee and Jefferson were pretty good QB's their senior seasons with Jefferson probably holding up better against the stronger harder hitting defenses and Lee shining when he had less pressure on him against some pretty good defenses also. Either way both were huge and vital assests to the championship run we made that season and will be remembered fondly by the LSU faithfull. They both gave it their all for LSU and should be held in high esteem by the true purple and gold fans.
As far as the Lee/Jefferson argument. Can't we all just put that behind us. Both Lee and Jefferson were pretty good QB's their senior seasons with Jefferson probably holding up better against the stronger harder hitting defenses and Lee shining when he had less pressure on him against some pretty good defenses also. Either way both were huge and vital assests to the championship run we made that season and will be remembered fondly by the LSU faithfull. They both gave it their all for LSU and should be held in high esteem by the true purple and gold fans.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 8:18 pm to Ignignot
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yes, but that is asking alot from miles
We have had decent qb play in 2006,07,09,2011,and 2013.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 8:26 pm to southeasttiger113
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The only shitty QB's he's had have been Jefferso
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Matt Flynn,
JJ had 2 seasons where is qb rating was higher than Flynn's in 2007. So if you're saying JJ sucked then so did Flynn.
LSU is a borderline top 10 all time program,right?
These are JJ'S career rankings at lsu with just over 2 years worth of starts.
1.5th in career wins
2.5th in career td passes
3.6th in career passing yards
4.6th in career compl %
5. 1st in career qb rushing yards
6.holds the single season qb rushing record
You can't have these rankings at a top 10 all time program and suck. While he wasn't great and at times looked horrid, both his 2009 and 2011 qb rating is higher than Flynn's 2007 qb rating. By no means was he horrible all the time.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 8:30 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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JJ had 2 seasons where is qb rating was higher than Flynn's in 2007. So if you're saying JJ sucked then so did Flynn. LSU is a borderline top 10 all time program,right? These are JJ'S career rankings at lsu with just over 2 years worth of starts. 1.5th in career wins 2.5th in career td passes 3.6th in career passing yards 4.6th in career compl % 5. 1st in career qb rushing yards 6.holds the single season qb rushing record You can't have these rankings at a top 10 all time program and suck. While he wasn't great and at times looked horrid, both his 2009 and 2011 qb rating is higher than Flynn's 2007 qb rating. By no means was he horrible all the time.
Now THIS is a JAX post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 7/8/15 at 8:37 pm to semjase
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We're rolling along 8-0 like a efficient finely tuned machine with JL as QB
Lee had some shite games in those 8 games too
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Grass Man inserts Ding Dong for no sensible reason and the Offensive Chemistry was destroyed for the remainder of the season
What? Before facing 2 top 5 defenses( Uga and bama) our offensive production went up after the bama game. Did you forget JJ having the best game of any lsu qb that year against #3 arky where he threw for 208 yards, 62 compl %, and rushed for 53 yards and a td.
The last 4 games of November( JJ starts) had the most yards of any month, the highest yards/play, and the most yards per game. It's like poster make shite up.
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Grassy has never fully recovered from that, and the on-going "Declining Descent" into the Wonderful World of College Football also-ran mediocrity is well underway.
Holy shite. So one season ( we were 1 win away from finishing top 25) of 8-5 after finishing in the top 15 8 out of the last 9 years, means we're are an also ran? God I hate our ignorant and entitled fan base.
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Amazing on here how so many LSU fans can look at the same things on the field and come to totally different conclusions
Right because most fans would look at finishing top 15 8 out of 10 seasons and finishing top 10 6 out of 10 seasons as being a great program. People that think otherwise don't understand cfb.
This post was edited on 7/8/15 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 7/8/15 at 8:42 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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The last 4 games of November( JJ starts) had the most yards of any month, the highest yards/play, and the most yards per game
And that's all fine and dandy...So what happened on 1/9/12??? THATS the game he will be remembered for.. No matter what he did during the season..... Could Lee have done better??? Too bad we will never know.............
Posted on 7/8/15 at 8:47 pm to dukke v
Les made chicken salad out of chicken shite for 13 games. If he wins one under the new playoff format, all will (read: should) be forgiven.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 8:47 pm to southeasttiger113
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You're a fricking clown if, in hindsight, you can't figure out why sitting a serviceable QB on the bench was a bad idea
Did you watch that game? As bad as JJ was in that game our offensive line was worse and your answer to that is to put in a less mobile qb who became a horrible qb once his pocket got muddy. While Lee was the better pure passer he didn't handle pressure well at all.
Posted on 7/8/15 at 8:48 pm to southeasttiger113
Jamarcus Russell and Matt Flynn were nick sabans recruits. They were already coached up enough before miles got a hold of them. So them 2 doesn't count 
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